Amazing newsletter last night, Steve

    Posted by doctormike on 30th of Oct 2009 at 08:01 am

    Steve, your newsletter last night was excellent.  It's this kind of analysis that makes an analyst great.  Chart 7 should be done in a nightly basis.  It presents all the possibilities instead of being overly bullish or bearish.  In fact, if it was done on Wednesday, you probably wouldn't have gotten so many emails.  On Wednesday's bearish newsletter, only a wave 4 bounce was discussed and shorts after the bounce was recommended.  Of course when we rallied so strongly yesterday, it caught most people off guard.  Please continue to present similar charts with all the possibilities like Chart 7 in a nightly basis.  As the market changes during the day, the members can adapt according to various possibilities.  I am certain that all members appreciate that.

    So all 3 scenarios have

    Posted by bronxbomber on 30th of Oct 2009 at 05:38 pm

    So all 3 scenarios have been proven wrong ?

    the bearish scenario played out. 

    Posted by matt on 30th of Oct 2009 at 06:06 pm

    the bearish scenario played out.  Why do you think the watch list is loaded with long term shorts.

    and there are quite a few other shorts on the watch list that were in the updates, JBL, CAR, NVDA, RWM, , DTG, BIDU , did you get any of these?

    I also said in my Wed update that you can consider PSQ, SH, UUP triggered even though the Arron hasn't crossed yet because they had broken out of their bull wedges and 60 period stochastics crossed over 20% etc.  

    I found  it to be

    Posted by bronxbomber on 30th of Oct 2009 at 09:22 am

    I found  it to be absolutely useless ! It basically says that the market can go up, down or sideways, depending on market conditions. Who doesn't know that! I hear the ' One day at time" mantra , over and over again, and here is an analysis trying to prognosticate the markets turns and twists  months out. Baloney !

    one thing I will say,

    Posted by matt on 30th of Oct 2009 at 10:25 am

    one thing I will say, that even if we took away the market updates (didn't do them at all), this website is cheap.  Prices are the same as they were back in 2004 and I have added a lot to the website since then.  Plus the mechanical systems alone are worth the membership price.  Go look at 'thecollective', they have mech systems there, but they are black boxes (don't tell you the parameters), and the good ones will cost you $300 - $400 per month!  Find a website out there that freely gives out parameters to their systems?  Most do not, and the ones that do are insanely expensive.

    Plus, I have a lot of custom useful indicators here that are useful for market trends such as the NAAD, NYSI etc,  the gold stock systems like the GDX/GLD ratios etc.  We have a lot of stuff.  Now could it be organized better?  Yes of course, that's what I'm working on, getting all this stuff into organized sections instead of spread out through the newsletters. 

    I have a mechanical system for trading GDX which is very good, but I have not released yet.  But with these complaints, should I really release it?  I work my ass off and get beat up for it.  Maybe I should just shut BPT down and have  systems website, but charge a lot more for it, it's getting to be not worth my time.

     

    I came from one of

    Posted by stevedfw on 30th of Oct 2009 at 06:04 pm

    I came from one of those "other sites" that gave "strong opinions" every night.  By following them I came to BPT with my account down over 25%.  I have been a BPT member a couple months now. I have recovered all that I had lost with the other site plus I have made much more thanks to Matt, Steve and many others on this site.

    Matt, please, please release the GDX mechanical system, LOL.

    lol - you guys would

    Posted by matt on 30th of Oct 2009 at 06:09 pm

    lol - you guys would flip out, the GDX swing system went short on 10/22, 5 trading days ago at $47 wow, and it scaled out of a lot of the position today.

    I went short GDX this

    Posted by stevedfw on 30th of Oct 2009 at 06:27 pm

    I went short GDX this week at $44.69 based on your $BPGDM/EMA 20 Crossover.

    Also, went short XLE  this week at $57.48 based on your $BPENER/EMA 9 Crossover.  Waited all day to buy XLE after the signal the prior day after close.  Got a fantastic price since I followed your advise on watching the 60 period Stochastics on the 5 min charts.

    Great Stuff!

     

    Matt you guys do great

    Posted by brucewayne on 30th of Oct 2009 at 10:59 am

    Matt you guys do great work in the depth of content you provide...I'd be a little bummed if you shut down the site

    Matt

    Posted by isplat on 30th of Oct 2009 at 10:37 am

    may I make the following suggestion: regarding those very few people on BPT who want definitive answers as to what the market WILL do the NEXT DAY (!), and who want their hand held every step of the way... refund them the remainder of their subscription and ask them to be on their way. For their own good, they really shouldn't be trading the market.

    The rest of us TRULY appreciate all the hard work and invaluable information that you and Steve put into BPT. Thanks, and keep it up!

     

     

    isplat, thats the best post

    Posted by cwa82675 on 30th of Oct 2009 at 10:39 am

    isplat, thats the best post of the day.

    Feathers Ruffled?

    Posted by rogerv on 30th of Oct 2009 at 10:32 am

    Most of us praise all that you and steve do. There will always be some that don't appreciate all the time and effort you put in. I have been a member for only over a year, but have learned much and still learn thanks to you and steve. KEEP IT UP !

    Matt and Steve, you are

    Posted by rnix on 30th of Oct 2009 at 10:32 am

    Matt and Steve, you are pasionate about your website, your trade suggestions and market analysis are great.

    Here's an explanation that might

    Posted by user32 on 30th of Oct 2009 at 10:01 am

    Here's an explanation that might help a bit. Trading the markets is hardly ever about predicting which way it's going to go tomorrow. Probabilities and possibilities are the best you're ever going to get, simply because no one knows for sure. And if you're trying to trade based on predictions, then you might want to rethink things. (As Steve always says, wave counts, etc. are roadmaps and guidelines.) So how do people make money on a regular basis if they don't know the market's direction? It's simple - they make low risk, high reward trades in the direction of the market.

    Here's an example. Let's say a stock moves down to the bottom of a rising channel and stops at the lower trendline. You buy, and set a 3% stop loss underneath your position (below the trendline, and perhaps below a key moving average). Then you set a 12% profit target near the upper trendline. You're risking about 3%, but giving yourself a potential gain of about 12%. So which scenario will play out, up or down? With these odds, it wouldn't matter if you had only a 50% chance of your trade working out (which is about the best I can muster even when all indicators and short-term moving averages are heading in the right direction). You'd still be making money on the balance of your trades if most of them looked as good as this, especially if you managed to cover yourself with a stop on the initial move up.

    So trade low risk, high reward trades in the direction of the market and you should be fine. And what's the market's direction? In the short-term, it's where your 20 and 50 day moving averages are pointed (up or down). Dips to or below these MAs are often short-term buying opportunities, and is often when you see stocks hitting trendlines and intraday charts getting oversold.

    I hope this helps.

    Excellent reply and very constructive

    Posted by steve on 30th of Oct 2009 at 10:07 am

    Excellent reply and very constructive - when something is clear I tend to bet more.  Also, focus on support and resistance for entries and exits in conjunction.

    I will do everything I can to assist members.

    BPT's clarity and repetition on

    Posted by eager2 on 30th of Oct 2009 at 10:46 am

    BPT's clarity and repetition on S & R points has made a big difference for me.

    The audio commentaries have been very instructive.

    The indicators, Mech Systems, and Watchlists with targets have been very valuable to me.

    And the community also has great value

    Please guys, don't stop! You've got a subscriber for life here.

    I provide the various scenarios

    Posted by steve on 30th of Oct 2009 at 09:34 am

    I provide the various scenarios and you NEED to develop a plan in accordance with you trading objectives and risk tolerance.  You cannot rely upon someone to tell you that the market will do anything with absolute certainty in the short term.  Sometimes there are clear patterns (like last night's falling wedge) in the short term which make for increased probabilities.  

    If you found it to

    Posted by steve on 30th of Oct 2009 at 09:26 am

    If you found it to be useless then you have no idea how to trade the market.  The market is NOT SOMETHING to PREDICT with certainty.  I present the various scenarios that are possible (and will attempt to prioritize when applicable).   I have posted an additional chart above that you may find useful.  

    COMMENTS ON TRDAING PLANS

    Posted by RM686 on 30th of Oct 2009 at 09:43 am

    I found your comments on trading plans and triggers in last nights updaye very interesting. Where do you go to learn those things. I know there are 10,000 trading books out there but they seem to confuse the issue more than help.

    Are there any simple sources available that you know of?

    Pick some triggers that are

    Posted by steve on 30th of Oct 2009 at 09:48 am

    Pick some triggers that are applicable and seem to work with YOUR trading styles and objectives.  Over time, Matt and I have presented many possible triggers so pick and choose what is best suited to your style.

    Trading Styles

    Posted by deberah on 30th of Oct 2009 at 10:00 am

    As a business consultant, I've seen many people start businesses (especially on-line businesses) with making money as their only objective.  I suspect that this may be true with traders, especially new traders, who want to make money, but haven't really thought about what their personal style can be and should be.  Unfortunately, with the complete lack of financial education in schools in the U.S. and other places in the world, most people have not learned about financial strategies, investment objectives and how to develop a personal style and plan that creates success.  Of course, to some extent, this can come over time.  But, seems to me that part of what's missing for many asking these types of questions and expressing frustration is basic education.

    Title: Trading Styles The lack

    Posted by dommyv on 30th of Oct 2009 at 10:38 am
    Title: Trading Styles

    dommyv I would respectfully disagree. 

    Posted by cwa82675 on 30th of Oct 2009 at 10:43 am

    dommyv I would respectfully disagree.  I think each person gathers their own value from the site in different ways.  For me I know how to interpret a chart, but dont have the time to spend finding or analyzing them.  BPT feeds me charts that I can evaluate and make my trading decisions from.  I rarely even listen to the newsletters, but I love the blog.

    hopefully the education section that

    Posted by matt on 30th of Oct 2009 at 10:08 am

    hopefully the education section that I'm putting together will be a nice benefit to the website.

    regarding updates, I try to be as definite as possible in which scenario I think will play out.  Sometimes you just have to react to what the market does, you draw two lines, and if it breaks one way then you do that, but if it breaks the other line, then you do that instead.

    but I try to give my honest opinion to what I think will happen as often as I can.  You can listen to my updates and verify that. 

    Anyway, would it help if we do a conference call once a month maybe?  I was thinking about setting up a BPT conference call say once a month on a Saturday for 1 - 2 hrs at a set time, where members could call in, ask questions, share opinions, etc? 

    Exactly, but sometimes what we

    Posted by steve on 30th of Oct 2009 at 10:12 am

    Exactly, but sometimes what we think will occur DOES NOT and we need to be flexible to adjust and it surely helps to be aware of such alternatives at these times.

    AAA+++

    Posted by rosinp54 on 30th of Oct 2009 at 08:58 am

    Laughing

    ditto here...simple, to the point,

    Posted by ribloch on 30th of Oct 2009 at 08:55 am

    ditto here...simple, to the point, outlining broad range of possibilities...very helpful indeed

    I understand what you are

    Posted by jcomptonod on 30th of Oct 2009 at 08:43 am

    I understand what you are saying Dr. Mike and I agree that giving all the possibilities is a great thing to have.  

    On the other hand, I would rather hear Matt and Steve's best opinion after looking at many more charts than I have time to do.  If I only hear 5 different possibilities on a recap then I am no more ahead than if I had thrown a dart.  

    I would rather have Matt and Steve get it wrong occasionally (because thats what the market does) than never get an opinion.  If you can't use technical analysis to get any predictive value, why are we here? my worthless .02

    jcomptonod - we will certainly

    Posted by steve on 30th of Oct 2009 at 09:10 am

    jcomptonod - we will certainly attempt to prioritize such possibilities but it's better to know ahead of time what to look for and react accordingly when it's not clear.  I DID NOT present five alternatives and I dare say those three scenarios gave you much more insight than throwing a dart.  

    After Wednesday's close, I showed a bullish falling wedge on the SPX and even CIRCLED the 1060 area (.382 retracement) as a target area.  That was a clear pattern that allowed for a stronger bet (SPX 20 points in one day suffices).

    Steve the 5 possiblities was

    Posted by jcomptonod on 30th of Oct 2009 at 09:21 am

    Steve the 5 possiblities was just an analogy of someone showing all the possibles without ever forming an opinion after looking at a lot of charts.  I simply don't want the opinions to leave.  Each trader can take what information they want.   But, when I look at a bunch of charts I get an opinion based on the overall picture and it might not always be right. That may not come through unless you say it.  I'm just saying continue to give it.

    jcomptonod... Yes, it will be

    Posted by doctormike on 30th of Oct 2009 at 09:04 am

    jcomptonod... Yes, it will be nice to hear the preferred count, as long as all other counts are also discussed.  The thing that most of us missed was chart no. 17 on Wednesday's analysis.  Daily McClellan was extremely oversold and it was at the lowest level since the March rally started.  Matt spent majority of the time on Wednesday's analysis to discuss the bearish case and spent less than 5 seconds on that one chart.  Of course, that's what ended up happening on Thursday.  With an extremely oversold condition and a positive GDP number, boom....we got a "rally", not a "bounce".  Sure, hindsight is always 20/20, but like you said, that's why we subscribe to sites like this so you don't have to "throw a dart".

    NAMO - One Chart to Analyze

    Posted by steve on 30th of Oct 2009 at 09:22 am

    You may want to ponder this chart about what such a low NAMO reading is likely to represent over time.  I will be watching for DIVERGENCE to form as a better indication of a SUSTAINABLE rally.

    This chart was forwarded to me but it makes a valid point.

     

    After looking at the daily

    Posted by doctormike on 30th of Oct 2009 at 09:15 am

    After looking at the daily McClellan, I found an interesting observation. 

    10/28/09 McClellan -336.21

    02/23/09 McClellan -359.34

    11/20/08 McClellan -312.62

    What happened on 02/24/09 and 11/21/08?

    02/24/09 S&P rallied 3.82%

    11/21/08 S&P rallied 5.84%

    What happened on 10/29/09?

    10/29/09 S&P rallied 1.9% - the biggest "rally" percentage wise since early July.

     

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