I signed up with tradestation to specifically trade the
mechanical systems. I have other accounts that I play the
breakouts with. Yesterday was the first day I put my entire
equity position of 30k into the SRS mechanical swing 2.
Which I guess took up all my buying power. Just 20 minutes
again the position reversed and went long the URE. Except
that my order was rejected for not having enough buying power
even though I am completely in cash. The help desk said
that since I carried over the position from yesterday that my
buying power wont reset until tomorrow.
With Interactive brokers I never have had a problem with my
buying power and I can reverse positions without any
problems. For those of you that use tradestation, have you
ever encountered this problem? Is there anything that I can
do about this?
Rank, a couple of comments about TS, the mechanical systems,
etc.
Yes I agree guys, TS has some issues as a broker, in fact I
don't stocks at all through TS anymore, I only trade futures
through TS. All my stock trades go through Interactive Brokers.
Next, you mention that you put your whole TS account into the
SRS mech system? Again this is a personal decision, but
please use proper money management when trading these systems,
don't put your whole
trading account into one system. Yes theoretically the
gains will be much faster, but it can lead to obvious
problems.
If I had a 30K account for example, I might only do 10K into one
system at any one time and that's still pushing it!
One thing about the systems that I had problems with early on is
psychology. I was placing too much of my portfolio
(percentage wise) into the systems and as a result, it was messing
up my psychology. For example, I found myself second guessing
the systems, not taking trades, and exiting positions early (many
times to my detriment) - why, because when the systems would
whipsaw, I couldn't take the huge amount psychologically.
So that's something to consider,
don't throw your whole
account into these systems and don't margin out. The
gains will add up quickly enough without doing that.
Posted by racerick on 16th of Oct 2009 at 04:46 pm
It's not a TS rule, it's an exchange rule that every broker
dealer has to abide by. BY having day trading priviledges you get
certain goodies like say 4-1 leverage intraday. However you are
considered a pattern day trader which puts certain restrictions on
you.
You have regular magin buying power and you have day trading
buying power. If you're using your DT limits and decide to hold
overnight, then in essence you're in violation of exchange rules
and when your DT buying power is calculated say every night by most
brokers, then you're not going to be showing any BP. So when you
sell the next day the money is not immediately available to you
until recalculated that night. When you do transactions within same
day, then they're in essence using prior nites calculations plus ar
minus adjustments for current days trades.
Can go Google 'pattern day trading rules' and get better
explanation. But every broker -dealer in the country has same
rules.
Posted by vnathwani on 17th of Oct 2009 at 08:13 am
I use TS and you are right that they give 4-1 leverage but some
instruments attract less such as 2-1 so just something to be aware
of. I just try and trade conservatively with them because yes if
you carry anything overnight, it loses its DTBP...Day trading
buying power
so i called them one more time and they explained to me that it
was anything that you carried overnight. It has nothing to do
with intraday day trades. The buying power wont be returned
to your account until the next day. I have spoken with 2
people now at the trade desk and they said the same exact
thing.
Does anyone else have this issue? I just want to make sure
Im not the only one
TS is funny with their accounts. Even though you put more
than 25,000 in to the account, you have to make sure that they have
qualified it as a day-trading account. Call your rep and tell
him what happened and that you need it done ASAP.
I opened a second account, and it took me a bunch of calls and
emails before they woudl agree to qualify it as a day-trade account
because their policy is one per customer! I told them that's
riciculous, I can't be the pnly person wanting more than one
account to day-trade strategies...................anyway -- call
your rep.
Posted by jdaswani on 16th of Oct 2009 at 03:42 pm
Only thing i can think of is that you might only be settup with
a cash account. Do you have a margin account? Otherwise you are
subject to the cash settlement dates before the capital frees
up.
Posted by doctormike on 16th of Oct 2009 at 04:11 pm
My experience with TS is that they are very conservative in their
compliance. I have the same problem as well. Once I sold
something carried overnight, I will have to call my rep to have him
to reset my buying power and it's never the same amount. It's quite
annoying. By the time they reset it, the trade timing might be
gone.
Tradestation BuyingPower Question
Posted by rank10 on 16th of Oct 2009 at 03:36 pm
I signed up with tradestation to specifically trade the mechanical systems. I have other accounts that I play the breakouts with. Yesterday was the first day I put my entire equity position of 30k into the SRS mechanical swing 2. Which I guess took up all my buying power. Just 20 minutes again the position reversed and went long the URE. Except that my order was rejected for not having enough buying power even though I am completely in cash. The help desk said that since I carried over the position from yesterday that my buying power wont reset until tomorrow.
With Interactive brokers I never have had a problem with my buying power and I can reverse positions without any problems. For those of you that use tradestation, have you ever encountered this problem? Is there anything that I can do about this?
thanks!
Rank, a couple of comments
Posted by matt on 17th of Oct 2009 at 06:02 pm
Rank, a couple of comments about TS, the mechanical systems, etc.
Yes I agree guys, TS has some issues as a broker, in fact I don't stocks at all through TS anymore, I only trade futures through TS. All my stock trades go through Interactive Brokers.
Next, you mention that you put your whole TS account into the SRS mech system? Again this is a personal decision, but please use proper money management when trading these systems, don't put your whole trading account into one system. Yes theoretically the gains will be much faster, but it can lead to obvious problems.
If I had a 30K account for example, I might only do 10K into one system at any one time and that's still pushing it!
One thing about the systems that I had problems with early on is psychology. I was placing too much of my portfolio (percentage wise) into the systems and as a result, it was messing up my psychology. For example, I found myself second guessing the systems, not taking trades, and exiting positions early (many times to my detriment) - why, because when the systems would whipsaw, I couldn't take the huge amount psychologically.
So that's something to consider, don't throw your whole account into these systems and don't margin out. The gains will add up quickly enough without doing that.
TS
Posted by racerick on 16th of Oct 2009 at 04:46 pm
It's not a TS rule, it's an exchange rule that every broker dealer has to abide by. BY having day trading priviledges you get certain goodies like say 4-1 leverage intraday. However you are considered a pattern day trader which puts certain restrictions on you.
You have regular magin buying power and you have day trading buying power. If you're using your DT limits and decide to hold overnight, then in essence you're in violation of exchange rules and when your DT buying power is calculated say every night by most brokers, then you're not going to be showing any BP. So when you sell the next day the money is not immediately available to you until recalculated that night. When you do transactions within same day, then they're in essence using prior nites calculations plus ar minus adjustments for current days trades.
Can go Google 'pattern day trading rules' and get better explanation. But every broker -dealer in the country has same rules.
I use TS and you
Posted by vnathwani on 17th of Oct 2009 at 08:13 am
I use TS and you are right that they give 4-1 leverage but some instruments attract less such as 2-1 so just something to be aware of. I just try and trade conservatively with them because yes if you carry anything overnight, it loses its DTBP...Day trading buying power
but shouldn't i at least
Posted by rank10 on 16th of Oct 2009 at 06:18 pm
but shouldn't i at least have the ability to use my existing equity?
if i bought 30k worth of stock yesterday and sold it today at a profit, can i not at least buy 30k worth of stock again today?
that seems like such a stupid rule because Im not even going on margin.
Tradestation
Posted by ucbarryk on 16th of Oct 2009 at 04:35 pm
sucks for buying power..Fidelity is 4 to 1 sometimes more
so i called them one
Posted by rank10 on 16th of Oct 2009 at 04:05 pm
so i called them one more time and they explained to me that it was anything that you carried overnight. It has nothing to do with intraday day trades. The buying power wont be returned to your account until the next day. I have spoken with 2 people now at the trade desk and they said the same exact thing.
Does anyone else have this issue? I just want to make sure Im not the only one
thanks
Yes, I've been told the
Posted by deberah on 16th of Oct 2009 at 04:09 pm
Yes, I've been told the same thing.
TS buying power
Posted by Michael on 16th of Oct 2009 at 03:47 pm
TS is funny with their accounts. Even though you put more than 25,000 in to the account, you have to make sure that they have qualified it as a day-trading account. Call your rep and tell him what happened and that you need it done ASAP. I opened a second account, and it took me a bunch of calls and emails before they woudl agree to qualify it as a day-trade account because their policy is one per customer! I told them that's riciculous, I can't be the pnly person wanting more than one account to day-trade strategies...................anyway -- call your rep.
Only thing i can think
Posted by jdaswani on 16th of Oct 2009 at 03:42 pm
Only thing i can think of is that you might only be settup with a cash account. Do you have a margin account? Otherwise you are subject to the cash settlement dates before the capital frees up.
ts
Posted by RM686 on 16th of Oct 2009 at 03:45 pm
also margin has to be classfied as day trading account and maintain balence over 25000.00
My experience with TS is
Posted by doctormike on 16th of Oct 2009 at 04:11 pm
My experience with TS is that they are very conservative in their compliance. I have the same problem as well. Once I sold something carried overnight, I will have to call my rep to have him to reset my buying power and it's never the same amount. It's quite annoying. By the time they reset it, the trade timing might be gone.
Since their speciality is system
Posted by doctormike on 16th of Oct 2009 at 04:39 pm
Since their speciality is system trading, they might design their margin this way on purpose so you will have to reduce your position size.