SPY Trade Alert

    Posted by matt on 20th of May 2011 at 01:53 pm

    new price: at or above $134.20, and at or below $134.36
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    SPY system notification alert :  Possible Short Initial Entry

    Indications are that the SPY system may go short today at the close,  SPY needs to close at or above $134.20 and below $134.36 (see notes below) in order to initiate a short entry.  Important: currently the upper band of $134.39 is a dynamic value that can change as the day goes on, therefore I will be updating this upper price if it changes.    Also it is very likely that this trade could come down to the wire depending on the market action, so we are trying to alert you early in order to give you time to react and to be "on watch" for any updates toward the close.

     
    If conditions are met:the Single Entry system   will enter a 100% position.  The 'Multi Entry system  will enter a new position using 40% of total allocated capital.   Decide which system is best for you.

     

    The upper band price has

    Posted by matt on 20th of May 2011 at 03:32 pm

    The upper band price has dropped to $134.36 and below

    Matt, please fix your sticky.

    Posted by ascr on 20th of May 2011 at 03:44 pm

    Matt, please fix your sticky.  " Important:  currently the upper band of $134.39"

    Also..

    Posted by burkmere on 20th of May 2011 at 03:47 pm

    The post Matt just did below says 134.36 and below, but the sticky at the top says below 134.36 . Nit-picky, I know, but those are two different numbers.

    guys come on.  There is

    Posted by matt on 20th of May 2011 at 03:51 pm

    guys come on.  There is a price band, in the post I said that the upper price band was dynamic and could change, and it did, it changed from $134.9 to $134.6.  The lower band is the same at 134.2 and above

    Title: comments Read the whole post

    Posted by iwedat on 20th of May 2011 at 10:01 pm
    Title: comments

    iwedat - As you were unable

    Posted by yojimbo on 21st of May 2011 at 10:56 am

    iwedat - As you were unable to access the forum for a time (understandably), you may not know that by the time the 3rd email was sent, numerous posts had been made seeking clarification of the precise price levels.  Also, email recipients may have been replying to BPT seeking clarification.  At that point, sending another email may not have made the situation any better.  And, as you noted, another factor may have been that SPY remained below the lower limit of the ‘buy’ range for the last hour of the day.  I’m sure your comments will be taken into consideration by those in charge, as they have already stated their commitment to helping us navigate the complexities inherent in a new product launch.  In any case, I believe, as stated below, that the notifications will soon be as clear as day, and we'll all look back at these early ones and have a good laugh.  Have a good weekend!

    iewdat - I should have

    Posted by yojimbo on 21st of May 2011 at 11:30 am

    iewdat - I should have said 'sell short' range.  Good thing I'm not in charge.  Smile

    Yes, but..

    Posted by burkmere on 20th of May 2011 at 04:00 pm

    in the sticky you say, " below 134.36" and in the post below you say:

    The upper band price has dropped to $134.36 and below.  Those are two different numbers.  It'd be better to just always say XXX and above and XXX and below. Not confusing that way, imo. Just trying to help us be consistent.  Thanks!! Sorry, for seeming nit-picky, but there is a difference..just trying to save  hassles later when there is a close that lands on that number...    ;) 

    at this rate...

    Posted by perthx on 20th of May 2011 at 03:54 pm

    we may get a buy instead on Monday as this doesn't'look to trigger today

    Yea, I didn't want to

    Posted by ditch on 20th of May 2011 at 04:00 pm

    Yea, I didn't want to go short ....

    Ok so..

    Posted by burkmere on 20th of May 2011 at 02:50 pm

    I hate to post this, but I take this to "now" mean at or above 134.20 and at or below  134.38 ..which is different than even the first revision...since it's going to be a small range and appears to be coming down to the wire..this, unfortuntely "is" important..

    We should be careful to keep the language consistent with the upper and lower limits... "at or above" and "at or below" would do that... ;)

    At or above $134.20 (or

    Posted by tom on 20th of May 2011 at 03:11 pm

    At or above $134.20 (or if you prefer above $134.19) and right now forget the upper range.  It is dynamic but will be posted as BELOW X price.

    Honestly I hope the system

    Posted by matt on 20th of May 2011 at 02:29 pm

    Honestly I hope the system does not trigger a trade

    "Honestly I hope the system

    Posted by river on 20th of May 2011 at 03:01 pm

    "Honestly I hope the system does not trigger a trade"

    Why?

    Matt, I suggest re-wording " SPY

    Posted by ascr on 20th of May 2011 at 02:14 pm

    Matt, I suggest re-wording " SPY needs to close between  $134.20 and below $134.39 (see notes below) "

    to read:

    SPY needs to close above  $134.20 and below $134.39 (see notes below) 

    Definately easier to understand worded

    Posted by dougwur on 20th of May 2011 at 02:23 pm

    Definately easier to understand worded like ascr posted!

    unfortunately I can't edit my

    Posted by ascr on 20th of May 2011 at 02:26 pm

    unfortunately I can't edit my post any more to display the correct info.  

    I don't mind it.  I

    Posted by tom on 20th of May 2011 at 02:19 pm

    I don't mind it.  I am still leaning toward the text.

    It is still just the how does it morph from the pending trade to an official.  Two table, highlighted Yellow while pending and then removed when triggered.  Maybe a field for some title like "Position" and that would say either Pending or Confirmed?  I guess maybe I like the text, IDK.

    Tom.  There would be no

    Posted by ascr on 20th of May 2011 at 02:39 pm

    Tom.  There would be no need to change the table until the next trade notification is announced.  For instance, let's imagine this trade goes through today.  Tomorrow you could display the same table.  The only modification would be to remove the "NOTE".  Tomorrow this table would communicate the status of the "current trade".  When we get the notification to close the trade the table will change to reflect that.

    And obviously there would be no table when there's no pending or current trade.

    I would handle a 2nd entry of the Multi system by adding a Trade 2 table above the Trade 1 table.  Same format.  I can do some mock-ups of different examples if you guys are interested.

    I would have to say:

    Posted by matt on 20th of May 2011 at 02:19 pm

    I would have to say: SPY needs to close above $134.19 and below $134.40, not $134.20 and $134.39

    Price closes above $134.19, or between $134.20 and $134.39

    otherwise I'm not sending out another email, we get enough complaints/confusion as it is and I have to send another email later anyway

    emails

    Posted by jdwm on 20th of May 2011 at 02:32 pm
    Title: i think you should send out an email to say you're not sending out any more emails

    LOL!

    Posted by cal1 on 20th of May 2011 at 03:37 pm

    LOL!

    Well I think we are

    Posted by tom on 20th of May 2011 at 02:38 pm

    Well I think we are going to first send an email to say we are thinking about not sending out anymore emails and that we will send an email to confirm.

    You guys are awesome! Truly.

    Posted by ascr on 20th of May 2011 at 02:41 pm

    You guys are awesome! Truly. Money mouth

    With the table.  We truly

    Posted by tom on 20th of May 2011 at 02:49 pm

    With the table.  We truly have received feedback overload and frankly there is not much of a preference one way or the other - it seems to pretty much even out.  We will have to review and brainstorm what will work best in conjunction with IT and the back-end system and make the decision.  I have you past posts with tables and we will have to work through it. 

    Guess what I am doing this weekend Surprised

    Uh Oh.  Matt, based on

    Posted by ascr on 20th of May 2011 at 02:28 pm

    Uh Oh.  Matt, based on your last post you need to change your blog sticky to say "below $134.40"

    now a chart here might

    Posted by perthx on 20th of May 2011 at 02:07 pm

    now a chart here might be very useful as a visual guide.

    Is this kind of tight window a common scenario?

    Here's an intraday chart. You

    Posted by kbgupta on 20th of May 2011 at 02:12 pm

    Here's an intraday chart. You might have to have a stockcharts.com account to view.

     

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SPY&p=1&yr=0&mn=0&dy=1&id=p31089445385&a=234825485

     

    Thanks for the chart -

    Posted by pebs on 20th of May 2011 at 02:54 pm

    Thanks for the chart - I always find visuals to be helpful.

    Ranges can happen frequently as

    Posted by tom on 20th of May 2011 at 02:10 pm

    Ranges can happen frequently as well as dynamic prices.

    special conditions like this are

    Posted by matt on 20th of May 2011 at 01:57 pm

    special conditions like this are why a table (even though I like the simplicity of a table), would not easily handle these situations. 

     

    I would suggest the following:


    Action System Date Condition 1 Condition 2
    Short Both May 20 Close Price above 134.20  Price below 134.39

    NOTE: Condition 2 is dynamic and may be updating.

     

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