Anyone have any comments on

    Posted by jreeves197 on 4th of Dec 2014 at 02:19 pm

    Anyone have any comments on nat gas?

    Long term look at natgas.

    http://screencast.com/t/f5d4JugrY

    on a right shoulder only

    Posted by roger on 4th of Dec 2014 at 03:51 pm

    on a right shoulder only on this beast -

    chart

    no gap down on the

    Posted by roger on 4th of Dec 2014 at 04:16 pm

    no gap down on the open with  a clearly defined double bottom or ihs over several days - or a gap up would be reasonable for an entry, jmho

    chart

    UGAZ

    Posted by roger on 5th of Dec 2014 at 03:39 pm

    the good news is it gaped up and broke the trend line.  the bad news is there is a gap below.  I'll wait.  Maybe it will double bottom.

    UGAZ

    Posted by amcap on 6th of Dec 2014 at 10:43 pm

    Rodger, I started a position in UGAZ on Friday afternoon based on a breakout of the 5 min chart.

    http://scharts.co/12ymUDy

    UGAZ

    Posted by roger on 8th of Dec 2014 at 08:39 am

    down a buck pre-market.....good chance gap below will fill.  might double bottom or even form an ihs.

    need to see some +

    Posted by roger on 8th of Dec 2014 at 09:42 am

    need to see some + div. on the 5 min before i bite...still neg.

    Going down. Broke big support

    Posted by zenman on 4th of Dec 2014 at 02:41 pm

    Going down. Broke big support at 3.745. I believe we had a chance to short 3.724. My ending diagonal did NOT set up. Support doesn't come into play until around 3.5 or so. Who knows, we could get a re-test of the breakdown point for another chance to short. IMHO

    Just a suggestion, but I

    Posted by zenman on 4th of Dec 2014 at 02:51 pm

    Just a suggestion, but I think it would be nice to look for trade set ups during the day in the direction of the trend. I kind of hear that most are waiting for a turn around or warmer weather. Why not have more talk about how to short this crappy acting commodities like this.

    Natgas Trend

    Posted by racerick on 4th of Dec 2014 at 04:36 pm

    I agree with you, it does seem that way sometimes here, that everyone looking for a reversal instead of continuation. However several of us were talking about yesterday about NG and a lot depends on whether you're trading the futures or a stock/ETF. If you're playing a stock then I've found it hard to trade short term charts, ie 5-15 min on commodity based products, because they can be rather volatile based on the underlying, so I tend to play 30min - 4 hour charts if playing those because most commodities do tend to trend for a few days generally unless you're at an inflection point. SEe DGAZ 30min - could have bot when it broke the 50ma last week for a really nice trade. But I'm not interested in buying it here.

    Natgas had a couple of opportunities to short today, see chart below. However the first opp, when it took out yesterday's and overnite low was right before inventory was released and no one here is that crazy to hold into on oil or NG inventory number, that was the big spike down to S2 at 10:30. The only other opp was on re-test of S2 at 1:50 and notice no divergence up there, so you'd basically been hoping.

    As far as looking for a bounce, well it is down nearly 25% in less than 10 days, historically going into Winter not the time you want to be short though generally most the upward action comes after Xmas. And it's sitting right on 200ma and regression line on the 5 year weekly. Will they hold and it bounce from here, who knows. But the point I'm trying to make there wasn't any really good signals today for a short

    For a short UGAZ would

    Posted by jreeves197 on 4th of Dec 2014 at 02:54 pm

    For a short UGAZ would be a good one. its down another 11% today. Those triple etfs are great for shorting in down trends. Thanks for all the comments guys.

    But UGAZ has been getting

    Posted by jreeves197 on 4th of Dec 2014 at 03:07 pm

    But UGAZ has been getting pounded and still outside lower bb on daily. just nasty.

    I stay away from UGAZ

    Posted by darnelds on 4th of Dec 2014 at 03:19 pm

    I stay away from UGAZ because the opening gaps and whipsaws are horrendous.  how do you choose a set up?

    Natural gas very steep decline

    Posted by steve on 4th of Dec 2014 at 02:42 pm

    Natural gas very steep decline not supportive of that falling wedge which was a concern mentioned yesterday.

    It's projected to be a

    Posted by pinguin on 4th of Dec 2014 at 02:47 pm

    It's projected to be a warm one for the next couple weeks

    Weather forecasts really drive/impact Natgas

    Posted by steve on 4th of Dec 2014 at 02:48 pm

    Weather forecasts really drive/impact Natgas this time of the year

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