bashing...Matts word originally not mine. In any area in life
whether it be work, sport, social, family or other, sharing
experiences good and bad helps nurture and develop oneself. I share
experiences with my children every day both good and bad. If I only
share good experiences with them, then they will not know the good
from the bad and what to avoid as they develop. I would rather they
learn from my bad experiences or emperical research I have (eg
don't eat too many sweets because it messes up your teeth and you
will end up getting diabetes) rather than them find out after the
event and have only a rear view mirror to look at
Maybe this will explain better the value in providing
information both good and bad on not just this forum but in any
walk of life
show me the stats. Not cherry picked EW Calls but take Prechter
as an example and list out all of his primary calls. Its difficult
to trade from sort ofs
from my side, here are my stats which hopefully helps traders
constructively decide to either use or not use EW. It also begs the
question that if Prechter as an example can't make EW
work.....being as he has an army of people working for him and
lives and breathes it, then what chance does the average investor
have? Not much if any chance at all
so your conclusion Michael is that we should only post on the
blog if we agree with something? Be interesting to hear if anyone
else agrees with this stance. I would have thought fellow traders
would like to know what works and what doesn't. What the heck is
the point in a blog if research and experiences are not shared? You
are heavily outnumbered here given the feedback from other posters
on the value (or otherwise) of EW.
I value not only people saying hey that worked great but equally
outlining things that don't work.
Thanks Russ. This is the type of objective testing which allows
traders to make informed judgements on what is viable and not
viable to use
So the next step is for a trader to take the good work of
Steven, add on one additional variable at a time and retest the
sample size to see if there is any improvement.
My bottom line is that every indicator has its 15seconds of
glory but there is a requirement to objectively test this with
other indicators to identify if there is any winning combination.
Otherwise, there is every likelihood of a classic visual illusion
from reviewing this or other indicators/patterns that so often
happens
Hence my stance on trading objectively and nothing but
objectively
The other question that arises is that I recall the newsletter
mentioning the reliability of the Evening Star pattern as being
high. Under what premise/research was this conclusion made given
what analysis is available here? Not a question for you Russ.
Moreso of an observation
Hi. Stockcharts has some great predefined scan results of which
one is Evening Star patterns. As of close of trade yesterday, BIDU
isn't listed in the stocks forming ES Patterns. However thats
stockcharts criteria and I don't personally know what the objective
ES pattern rules are
...for the SPYs it doesn't work very well. I have monitored the
last 8/9 months of SPY maxpain #s around 6-8 days prior to expiry
and from memory (although I haven't written it down which is
something I wish I had done as it would be emperical) is that it
just doesn't work profitably
ie the SPYs have finished way away from the max pain level. Now
what will happen in the future and I can already see it, is that it
will work in April or May and it will be posted as a great
tool.
I keep harping on about it but it needs to be backtested and
hopefully I am saving you some money by stating that from my
monitoring, it doesn't work well and I would not use it as a guide
as to where the SPYs are likely to finish on Options Expiry
Again as per with EW, this is criticism of a tool and if it
saves a trader money or gives them reason to be cautious then that
is constructive
Matt you need to take a step back and ask why people are
continuously bashing EW rather than not accepting criticism.
Sometimes (as in this case I believe), criticism can be
constructive.
The reason why its mentioned again here
is usually because a newbie to the site and probably
trading has seen EW mentioned in the newsletter. That newbie now
thinks that all he needs to know is how to count 12345, know his
abcs and his xyzs and he has made it. Little does he know about the
EMPERICAL research I have posted on this site before that tracks
the performance of EW Calls. This proves EW itself as being vastly
useless and heavily detrimental to a traders account. Much more so
than any basic indicator. Even a simple crossover works better than
EW and thats a fact. Bloomberg research has evaluated different
indicators and their quality and I have this research somewhere but
I am sure it can be googled. Even they are better than EW
The likes of myself, Freddy and others are a bit wiser however
to EW and its lack of credibility and hence its valuable to point
this out to newbies to ensure they don't take the same path as we
once took with this
Extremely
Worthless way of analysing markets. Its all
hindsight and not a roadmap at all. Why is it not a roadmap? I will
tell you why
Because there is always an alternate scenario up the sleeve.
Please give me the emperical research that proves EW works. I don't
want any alternate bull. Just the main core scenario over a good
length period of time and lets take it from there
So to stop EW bashing, its simple. Take it off the newsletter
and it will probably not be mentioned again.
Looks like a gap higher may well happen Worth pointing out that
the newsletters have had more of a bearish bias in my opinion than
bullish. Market wants to probe higher
you need to remember algyros that the macro picture shouldn't be
bought into the factor in most cases. Even the events in
Japan in my opinion were simply an excuse for a sell
off after the run up. Not much more than that. Technically we
were overbought and that was the oportunistic moment to close longs
on the chart.
Just focus in on the charts and nothing else. Live in a bubble
almost. Fed by the way is only bullish for the market right now
because of the POMO operations. Markets will rarely retrace
materially during POMO phases. Its only when the influx of
liquidity diminishes that we will see a more balanced market. But
who cares......its all in the charts
I have backtested a lot of this and seasonality around month end
has changed. Before month end use to get the 401K buying but now
its around 1st of the month which gets the influx. Need to refresh
it but that was my initial high level conclusion at the time.
Zillions of systems, zillions of stuff I want to work through.
Just zonked out at the mo on other strategies. Will get to it one
day!!!
Ditch, what are the objective trading results on say a 5 or
10year timeframe (excluding the high volatility abnormal period of
Sept-08 through to say June-09) of following the strategy you are
advocating.
Seems like you have backtested this as you mention it as
beinga long term investment tool
The interesting ones are the likes of Gold & Silver which
have speculators net long whereas the Commercial guys are quite
heavily short. I continue to be short Silver here. Its way
overbought. No reason to sell but I have strategies saying sell,
charts with divergence. Even my wife is telling me to go long
Silver so it must be time to short
thats a fair question and i have no idea. But you must remember.
His systems are swing trading systems which from memory have a
trade lasting 1-7days. Something like that. These end of the world
or catastrophe or mini crash or major correction calls are several
weeks or 2-3month calls. The 2 are different
Think Michael sums up his systems well. They are not correlated
or related to his personal opinion.
This site should have a blogroll column on it. Seriously guys. I
just mentioned this earlier today with respect to some guy saying
the Dollar is dead. His track record from everything I have
searched wasn't good and his the dollar is dead article was simply
headline grabbing journalism. Surely you can all see that???
In terms of Peter, his systems are incredibly strong. Out of
this world and better than anything I can or probably ever will be
able to code. I get PFs 5-20. He gets north of 50 I think.
Astronomical. So no doubting his record at objective system
writing
In terms of his market calls, I recall 2 previous ones. One was
predicting a c20% fall in Q4 2009 and the other was predicting a
c20% fall again in Q4 2010. So from my perspective and unless
anyone has any empirical evidence to the contrary, its something I
wouldn't read anything into.
Be wary of blogs/reports etc like this. This guy predicted the
dollar would rally in a report he did in Feb 07 when the Dollar
Index was at 82ish. He said it would head back to the 90 range. For
the rest of 2007 it stairstepped down and precipitously
"Things are rosy" or "steady as she goes" never makes headlines.
"Crashes", "Going through the roof" and all that stuff does. These
are nothing but journalists. (infact that may be an insult to
decent journalists!)
The last 2 60min bars on the S&P look like firstly a bullish
bar followed by the next bar of indecision and now we have just
started the 3rd bar. If bearish engulfing, does this qualify as an
ES Candlestick pattern? Or am I reading the last 2 candles
wrong!?
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In the cycle, QQQ over
Fractured market
Posted by vimal on 1st of Apr 2011 at 03:38 am
In the cycle, QQQ over a sustained period rising faster than the SPYs or DIAs is bullish so I would expect SPYs and DIAs to play catch up
bashing...Matts word originally not mine.
OK guys
Posted by vimal on 31st of Mar 2011 at 10:44 am
bashing...Matts word originally not mine. In any area in life whether it be work, sport, social, family or other, sharing experiences good and bad helps nurture and develop oneself. I share experiences with my children every day both good and bad. If I only share good experiences with them, then they will not know the good from the bad and what to avoid as they develop. I would rather they learn from my bad experiences or emperical research I have (eg don't eat too many sweets because it messes up your teeth and you will end up getting diabetes) rather than them find out after the event and have only a rear view mirror to look at
Maybe this will explain better the value in providing information both good and bad on not just this forum but in any walk of life
Title: stats show me the stats.
OK guys
Posted by vimal on 31st of Mar 2011 at 09:45 am
show me the stats. Not cherry picked EW Calls but take Prechter as an example and list out all of his primary calls. Its difficult to trade from sort ofs
from my side, here are my stats which hopefully helps traders constructively decide to either use or not use EW. It also begs the question that if Prechter as an example can't make EW work.....being as he has an army of people working for him and lives and breathes it, then what chance does the average investor have? Not much if any chance at all
http://www.erictyson.com/articles/20090616
Title: summary so your conclusion Michael
OK guys
Posted by vimal on 31st of Mar 2011 at 09:26 am
so your conclusion Michael is that we should only post on the blog if we agree with something? Be interesting to hear if anyone else agrees with this stance. I would have thought fellow traders would like to know what works and what doesn't. What the heck is the point in a blog if research and experiences are not shared? You are heavily outnumbered here given the feedback from other posters on the value (or otherwise) of EW.
I value not only people saying hey that worked great but equally outlining things that don't work.
Thanks Russ. This is the
Bidu??
Posted by vimal on 31st of Mar 2011 at 06:35 am
Thanks Russ. This is the type of objective testing which allows traders to make informed judgements on what is viable and not viable to use
So the next step is for a trader to take the good work of Steven, add on one additional variable at a time and retest the sample size to see if there is any improvement.
My bottom line is that every indicator has its 15seconds of glory but there is a requirement to objectively test this with other indicators to identify if there is any winning combination. Otherwise, there is every likelihood of a classic visual illusion from reviewing this or other indicators/patterns that so often happens
Hence my stance on trading objectively and nothing but objectively
The other question that arises is that I recall the newsletter mentioning the reliability of the Evening Star pattern as being high. Under what premise/research was this conclusion made given what analysis is available here? Not a question for you Russ. Moreso of an observation
Good post again Russ!
Hi. Stockcharts has some great
Bidu??
Posted by vimal on 31st of Mar 2011 at 03:43 am
Hi. Stockcharts has some great predefined scan results of which one is Evening Star patterns. As of close of trade yesterday, BIDU isn't listed in the stocks forming ES Patterns. However thats stockcharts criteria and I don't personally know what the objective ES pattern rules are
...for the SPYs it doesn't
5 min renko
Posted by vimal on 31st of Mar 2011 at 03:14 am
...for the SPYs it doesn't work very well. I have monitored the last 8/9 months of SPY maxpain #s around 6-8 days prior to expiry and from memory (although I haven't written it down which is something I wish I had done as it would be emperical) is that it just doesn't work profitably
ie the SPYs have finished way away from the max pain level. Now what will happen in the future and I can already see it, is that it will work in April or May and it will be posted as a great tool.
I keep harping on about it but it needs to be backtested and hopefully I am saving you some money by stating that from my monitoring, it doesn't work well and I would not use it as a guide as to where the SPYs are likely to finish on Options Expiry
Again as per with EW, this is criticism of a tool and if it saves a trader money or gives them reason to be cautious then that is constructive
Title: summary Matt you need to
OK guys
Posted by vimal on 31st of Mar 2011 at 02:52 am
Matt you need to take a step back and ask why people are continuously bashing EW rather than not accepting criticism. Sometimes (as in this case I believe), criticism can be constructive.
The reason why its mentioned again here is usually because a newbie to the site and probably trading has seen EW mentioned in the newsletter. That newbie now thinks that all he needs to know is how to count 12345, know his abcs and his xyzs and he has made it. Little does he know about the EMPERICAL research I have posted on this site before that tracks the performance of EW Calls. This proves EW itself as being vastly useless and heavily detrimental to a traders account. Much more so than any basic indicator. Even a simple crossover works better than EW and thats a fact. Bloomberg research has evaluated different indicators and their quality and I have this research somewhere but I am sure it can be googled. Even they are better than EW
The likes of myself, Freddy and others are a bit wiser however to EW and its lack of credibility and hence its valuable to point this out to newbies to ensure they don't take the same path as we once took with this Extremely Worthless way of analysing markets. Its all hindsight and not a roadmap at all. Why is it not a roadmap? I will tell you why
Because there is always an alternate scenario up the sleeve. Please give me the emperical research that proves EW works. I don't want any alternate bull. Just the main core scenario over a good length period of time and lets take it from there
So to stop EW bashing, its simple. Take it off the newsletter and it will probably not be mentioned again.
Looks like a gap higher
spx5,rising wedge and neg
Posted by vimal on 30th of Mar 2011 at 02:03 am
Looks like a gap higher may well happen Worth pointing out that the newsletters have had more of a bearish bias in my opinion than bullish. Market wants to probe higher
you need to remember algyros
system....
Posted by vimal on 29th of Mar 2011 at 05:05 am
you need to remember algyros that the macro picture shouldn't be bought into the factor in most cases. Even the events in Japan in my opinion were simply an excuse for a sell off after the run up. Not much more than that. Technically we were overbought and that was the oportunistic moment to close longs on the chart.
Just focus in on the charts and nothing else. Live in a bubble almost. Fed by the way is only bullish for the market right now because of the POMO operations. Markets will rarely retrace materially during POMO phases. Its only when the influx of liquidity diminishes that we will see a more balanced market. But who cares......its all in the charts
I have backtested a lot
system....
Posted by vimal on 29th of Mar 2011 at 03:03 am
I have backtested a lot of this and seasonality around month end has changed. Before month end use to get the 401K buying but now its around 1st of the month which gets the influx. Need to refresh it but that was my initial high level conclusion at the time.
Zillions of systems, zillions of stuff I want to work through. Just zonked out at the mo on other strategies. Will get to it one day!!!
thanks
SPX 60 min, filled gap, and comments
Posted by vimal on 28th of Mar 2011 at 11:10 am
thanks
which one is more reliable
SPX 60 min, filled gap, and comments
Posted by vimal on 28th of Mar 2011 at 11:08 am
which one is more reliable ref: Divergence? MACD Histogram or MACD Regular? Histogram is showing divergence whereas regular isn't
Ditch, what are the objective
EMATS back to fully invested position
Posted by vimal on 28th of Mar 2011 at 08:51 am
Ditch, what are the objective trading results on say a 5 or 10year timeframe (excluding the high volatility abnormal period of Sept-08 through to say June-09) of following the strategy you are advocating.
Seems like you have backtested this as you mention it as beinga long term investment tool
about the same WoW at
US Dollar
Posted by vimal on 26th of Mar 2011 at 07:31 am
about the same WoW at 13.5k contracts net long
The interesting ones are the likes of Gold & Silver which have speculators net long whereas the Commercial guys are quite heavily short. I continue to be short Silver here. Its way overbought. No reason to sell but I have strategies saying sell, charts with divergence. Even my wife is telling me to go long Silver so it must be time to short
he probably has a timeshare
peter campbell says get out. we will see if he is right
Posted by vimal on 25th of Mar 2011 at 05:22 pm
he probably has a timeshare in Libya thats just gone belly up so hes a bit cheesed off
Only joking. Sure its not a personal crusade. Just his opinion/thoughts. Overall he is a great guy.
Right, I am off for a beer or 6
thats a fair question and
peter campbell says get out. we will see if he is right
Posted by vimal on 25th of Mar 2011 at 05:20 pm
thats a fair question and i have no idea. But you must remember. His systems are swing trading systems which from memory have a trade lasting 1-7days. Something like that. These end of the world or catastrophe or mini crash or major correction calls are several weeks or 2-3month calls. The 2 are different
Think Michael sums up his systems well. They are not correlated or related to his personal opinion.
This site should have a
peter campbell says get out. we will see if he is right
Posted by vimal on 25th of Mar 2011 at 04:50 pm
This site should have a blogroll column on it. Seriously guys. I just mentioned this earlier today with respect to some guy saying the Dollar is dead. His track record from everything I have searched wasn't good and his the dollar is dead article was simply headline grabbing journalism. Surely you can all see that???
In terms of Peter, his systems are incredibly strong. Out of this world and better than anything I can or probably ever will be able to code. I get PFs 5-20. He gets north of 50 I think. Astronomical. So no doubting his record at objective system writing
In terms of his market calls, I recall 2 previous ones. One was predicting a c20% fall in Q4 2009 and the other was predicting a c20% fall again in Q4 2010. So from my perspective and unless anyone has any empirical evidence to the contrary, its something I wouldn't read anything into.
I stress.....his systems are second to none
Be wary of blogs/reports etc
The Dollar Will Collapse Within 3-4 Months
Posted by vimal on 25th of Mar 2011 at 12:42 pm
Be wary of blogs/reports etc like this. This guy predicted the dollar would rally in a report he did in Feb 07 when the Dollar Index was at 82ish. He said it would head back to the 90 range. For the rest of 2007 it stairstepped down and precipitously
http://www.growthstockwire.com/2264/Time-to-Go-Long-the-Dollar
"Things are rosy" or "steady as she goes" never makes headlines. "Crashes", "Going through the roof" and all that stuff does. These are nothing but journalists. (infact that may be an insult to decent journalists!)
Evening Star
Posted by vimal on 25th of Mar 2011 at 12:10 pm
Steve
The last 2 60min bars on the S&P look like firstly a bullish bar followed by the next bar of indecision and now we have just started the 3rd bar. If bearish engulfing, does this qualify as an ES Candlestick pattern? Or am I reading the last 2 candles wrong!?