John Roque (used to be

    Posted by kevindeng0727 on 2nd of Jan 2023 at 12:42 am

    John Roque (used to be a market technician for Soros fund management) talked about the H&S pattern on KRE recently. He has a target of $20 on Bank of America.

    Canadian Banks also have lots of shorting patterns developing. If Banks do break hard that's a bad sign for the general market. I personally think the next leg down could have more damage on the economic sensitive value sectors versus growth.

    Which banks in Canada hold

    Posted by steve on 2nd of Jan 2023 at 12:46 pm

    Which banks in Canada hold those Canadian mortgages?   Another massive bubble 

    On percentage basis I would

    Posted by kevindeng0727 on 2nd of Jan 2023 at 03:04 pm

    On percentage basis I would argue CM (Imperial bank of Canada) is the most vulnerable to the housing market - which is closer to 52 week lows compared to TD and Royal (both have more international exposure).

    Regarding the housing bubble, I am personally not in the camp of crash scenario. Maybe  a further 20% correction. Toronto and Vanvouver have become literally international money laudering centers so affordibility is not a countable measurement. I came from other countries so I think a lot of Americans, Canadians or Australians don't fully understand how popular their countries are, to forgeign professionals & wealthy immigrants. They all have their own issues, but man other countries are doing far worse (just look at Japan, Europe etc).

    I would love to see a a 30% further down in Canadian banks. At that point thet should be yielding very well. Because of the chartered banks system, there are no outside competition to these big 6 banks. They should come back to all time highs shortly after the resession ends.

    I wouldn't say houses in

    Posted by diabloblanco on 2nd of Jan 2023 at 01:01 pm

    I wouldn't say houses in Canada have gone up to much , It's been the currency becoming worthless but affordability  no longer exist because wages haven't kept up with theft I mean inflation 

    Where do you live in

    Posted by rollerblader on 2nd of Jan 2023 at 03:07 pm

    Where do you live in Canada? I'm 20 miles outside of Toronto and my 2,200 square ft home was approximately $750,000. in 2017. Now even though the market has slow down I can still get 1.2 - 1.3 million.

    I agree at this point

    Posted by diabloblanco on 2nd of Jan 2023 at 06:09 pm

    I agree at this point in time the Toronto market has really not been impacted other then the bid over price has left the market .    I just sold a house for 1.05 mil that I bought in 94 for 189k    closed sept 22.     6 months prior to the sale a house listed for 1.1 went in a couple days for 1.3 same street  but those 6% rates could cause a lot of motivated sellers that will be underwater 

    My observation is the impact

    Posted by kevindeng0727 on 2nd of Jan 2023 at 04:03 pm

    My observation is the impact so far is uneven on different types of properties: some significant pressure on detached houses in the 2-4M range (probably the 6% mortgage rate is killing lots of demand). The other weak area is condos in Downtown, they just never fully came back after covid, and this year the government tightened foreign buyers policy even more. There were lots of international students buying condos now they are shut down from the market. Other areas still appear pretty strong, like townhouses and smaller houses below 2M. At least so far I do not see too much pressure yet.

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