Question for any BPT members

    Posted by peterjennings71 on 31st of Jan 2018 at 03:44 am

    Question for any BPT members that are UK residents : do any members of BPT community trade the Spy Pro system signals from the UK ? I have been for the last two years, and now understand that a change in regulations (EEA) means that , as a UK resident, I am no longer able to buy ETF's (SPY, UPRO & XIV) as from 4th January this year. As you can appreciate, that is causing me a major problem as I trade the SPY system via XIV exclusively. Has any other BPT member in the UK encountered this problem, and if so, have you been able to find a solution to trading the SPY Pro signals from the UK. Any help would be appreciated.  

    Hi Peter, yes I find

    Posted by jamtoday on 1st of Feb 2018 at 01:33 pm

    Hi Peter, yes I find the new restrictions make trading more complicated. For-example replicating the BPT SPY system trades - yes it can be done via spread betting but that can be hard to control because of the leverage available and the need for ultra disciplined approach. Personally I don't like SB and of I'm not sure what sort of protection is in place should the gods ever allow the markets to tank.

    Another possible solution is to trade the UCITS listed ETF's such as IUSA (iShares S & P 500) and VUSA (Vanguard S & P 500). Others exists such as EQQQ, QQQS, CNX1, RTOW, SPX5. I'm yet to find one that tracks the SPY. Best of luck.

    hi  there's also a euro

    Posted by raymuy on 1st of Feb 2018 at 03:27 pm

    hi  there's also a euro hedge etf  IUES   so this one hedge a dollar decline. if you compare both SPY and IUES, you see they have been running the same only you don t have the dollar decline  ray

    Sorry clarification - I'm yet

    Posted by jamtoday on 1st of Feb 2018 at 02:11 pm

    Sorry clarification - I'm yet to find an ETF that I can trade on US exchanges that tracks the SPY and qualifies under the new rules.

    You can do it. Via

    Posted by torvix on 1st of Feb 2018 at 02:15 pm

    You can do it. Via ETFS.

    Hi Peter, I know its

    Posted by ghunt74 on 31st of Jan 2018 at 01:34 pm

    Hi Peter, I know its been suggested by others already but to add to that I trade SPY and other ETFs from the UK via IG Index (although other spread betters will make those markets too). They make prices pretty much 24 hours a day from Sunday pm through late Friday UK so you can always get on or off and they are tax free. Not everyone fancies the risks of 100x leverage which you can adjust for by just over equitising your account. 

    Thanks for your reply ghunt74.

    Posted by peterjennings71 on 1st of Feb 2018 at 09:06 am

    Thanks for your reply ghunt74. Based on my research of UK spreadbetting companies, IG Index is the (demo) platform that I am now testing and so far I am very impressed. Thanks again for the recommendation, and best of luck with your trading :)

    hi Peter, I'm from Belgium and

    Posted by raymuy on 31st of Jan 2018 at 10:46 am

    hi Peter,

    I'm from Belgium and so far we still can buy etf's such as gdx , jo, spy over here - however on another blog there was a norwegian guy having the same problem in his country. On top of that he also had an account in Holland where he couldn't buy those either.  I have an account in Holland as well as they told me the same thing - no nugt - no jo - no spy 

    a friend of mine here in Belgium has an account with IB in England and told me he still could buy them there - this is about 2 weeks ago 

    so that might be a solution - check with IB ????? 

    greetz - ray


    Many thanks for the information

    Posted by peterjennings71 on 31st of Jan 2018 at 12:08 pm

    Many thanks for the information Ray. I will check wth IB in the UK and see what they say.  I have spent much of today researching spread betting after isplat's post, and that may well be the answer moving forwards. It does offer a few advantages over buying XIV directly (no tax, longer trading hours) so I am using my broker's Demo Spread Betting platform to learn before "going live" !!

    No. I dont think this

    Posted by torvix on 31st of Jan 2018 at 09:21 am

    No. I dont think this applies to CFDs, not sure.

    I havent managed to make any money off spy pro yet, which is why I wanted to trade the es system but am not allowed to trade that either. stem

    Why don't you open a

    Posted by isplat on 31st of Jan 2018 at 05:12 am

    Why don't you open a spread-betting account and trade the index (SPX or VIX, as you please) with a geared instrument?

    Very constructive reply isplat -

    Posted by peterjennings71 on 31st of Jan 2018 at 05:24 am

    Very constructive reply isplat - many thanks for that  Spread betting is not something I am familar with (yet !!) but I will start researching it now as a solution. Can you recommend any geared instruments that I should look at as similar to XIV ?

    peterjennings71 - my apologies for

    Posted by isplat on 1st of Feb 2018 at 10:28 am

    peterjennings71 - my apologies for the delay in replying.

    IG Index is certainly a good choice. I live in Germany and use CMC Markets as a CFD provider. CFDs allow me to go long or short all the major indices, currency pairs, commoditiesand literally thousands of company names all over the world (although a CFD is not really the best way to trade individual shares IMO).

    Spread betting is tax-free in the UK and Ireland only if you trade either tiny volumes and/or very few trades per year. As soon as the powers that be decide that you make a significant portion of your income from trading you will have to pay tax, as far as I know.

    ghunt's point about playing with 100 x leverage is extremely important: money management is absolutely crucial with this kind of leverage, so you must over-equitise, or you may well wipe out your entire account in the blink of an eye. 

    Best regards, and trade well!

    isplat - I appreciate your

    Posted by peterjennings71 on 1st of Feb 2018 at 10:40 am

    isplat - I appreciate your words of experience and wisdom. The subject of leverage and margin are what I am studying now regarding spread betting as I can see that there is a big difference between buying shares and using margin to bet on pounds per points (a new concept to me and hence the reason that I am using the demo account to learn).

    Thanks again to all who have replied to my post.

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