Posted by pcampbell66 on 14th of Sep 2008 at 09:25 am
So far there is no agreement on LEH. Emerging scenario is that
LEH files bankruptcy on Monday. Best alternate scenario garnering
some interest is: "divide it in two companies a good and bad -
Barclays buys good and 10 to 15 Wall Street firms absorb the losses
of the Bad". BAC has essentially opted out of the process
at this point (maybe countrywide was a good lesson for them) and
ironically, it seems unlikely to me that Wall Street will willingly
JUST absorb losses from the LEH bad bank. Additionally, MER and AIG
need to raise cash. Rumor is that AIG needs 30 to 40 billion. God
knows no one has access to 30 or 40 billion any more -
and especially for a firm that can not get its story
straight. WM and WB are still milling around without a paddle and
do not look like they will be addressed right now. One way or the
other if a deal does work out you can count on the fact that the
fed has already funded it through its alphabet soup and may use
some more of that soup while stressing that it did not tacitly
backstop an agreement. The reality is that it has
aready backstopped LEH.
If this playsout according to the worst expectations, we may get
an emergency rate cut early in the week (thought there was a chance
of that on Fri depending on how things went) and then we will
catapult lower - welcome to hell next week. If the LEH deal does
not happen to walls streets satisfaction - the fed
will definitely have to do something
to attempt to ease the blow and show the resot fo the
world they are not asleep at the wheel...as useless as a cut would
be...it would mainly serve to reinforce how bad things actually are
and how out of control the fed is. Honestly I hope it does not
happen...I think a cut right now would send the market
MUCH lower than no cut. Jim Cramer has it all wrong - but
i have to say Paulson and bernake engineered one hell of a crisis.
Without their gamesmanship and antics I think the markets would
have crashed long ago and we would have found the guilty parties,
valued their assets and already begun piecing together a solution
that could have been a building block.
As we stand right now, we exacerbated the problems by
lending more money 500 billion from the Fed directly or indirectly
through swaps or tax breaks...and it will not be repaid. Does
anyone really think that LEH is going to repay its trading loans
borrowed from the discount window if they go away. What
about their asset swaps? I don't think so.
The TSLF loans that have been made by the fed have been extended
and extended and most banks have been granted
payment forgiveness entirely. Can you imagine that most
banks have not made ONE payment to the fed
on Billions and Billions of dollars. Also, the 28 day
swaps of treasuries for Garbage...have NOT in a single case been
rolled up. The Fed still holds the crap and the banks are still
trying to fake their books with the tacit approval of the Fed and
Govt by showing high quality assets instead of garbage on their
balance sheet. This is why the fed does not want
to publicly contribute more backstop money...they are
already doing that and they are not going to get paid back. All of
this is not good for the Feds balance sheet and they can not afford
it. They just don't have enough money. 50%+ losses for the fed to
take in short amounts of time are not easy
to metabolize.
GE will be a huge problem for the markets next week and may need
a capital raise also. Finding 200 billion for a few large firms is
not going to be easy...in fact its going to be
impossible....especially, when we know we are going to have to find
another 200 billion in a few months.
Think europe, think Asia, think russia and think middle
east. Greed, corruption and extreme climactic bullishness inspite
of failures are coming home to roost. Just look at the
Chinese Olympics as an example. These guys spent money
they did not have and so did every chinese guy who setup shop
expecting a BOON to his business and lost his entire life savings
on a topping event with just too much positive expectation. Most
thought they would get totally filthy rich off the event - reality
was their restaurants were empty...for example one prime location
had a full staff of waiter sitting idle every day...finally the
owner sent 7 to 8 of them home while the remaining 3 or 4 sat
around waiting for a customer or served the one or tow who came in.
The chinese business people spent their life savings in many cases
to prepare to the primal and ultimate bull market event. The
chinese government spent tons of money trying to change the weather
- ultimately getting the military to deliver anti rain chemistry
over a several thousand mile area just so that it would not
rain on the fireworks on the closing ceremony and that everything
in china can look just perfect. This is the definitions of
climactic! Well except the stock market which is down 60%. Nice
divergence there right. Te middle east, Russia and Mr Putin are
demonstrating similar climactic reactionary behaviour.
This crisis is spreading fast and you can expect to see some
very tall dark and rusty towers falling apart on man made islands
in Dubai soon.
Even if the Fed and Treasury pull a miracle out
of their hat on this one at the last minute...the next
casualties are waiting in the wings and the slippery slope has been
breached...so, they could (though i think it is unlikely) stave
thing off for a week or two...but they can not fix this thing
anymore.
Posted by dallahoo on 14th of Sep 2008 at 12:22 pm
I think there may one very important difference between LEH
case and Faniie-freddie, I mean in addition to other
factors. A lot of Fannie Freddie paper was owned by China
and Russia, I have not heard or read about how big foreign
ownership of Lehman's paper is, just a thought
Posted by pcampbell66 on 14th of Sep 2008 at 01:46 pm
I agree, but the primary difference in the bailouts is that the
Treasury and Fed think they will need china, Russia and Mexico etc
to raise cash and buy new US debt so they did not want leave them
in the wind and additionally the Treasury and Fed do not want to
advertise that they will supply funds or guarantees to
banks to whom they have already provided guarantees
through their myriad of new facilities. I am quite sure that any
deal even a LEH bankruptcy will include financial gymnastics from
the FED...but they don't want AIG, GE, C, JPM, or any of the banks
out there thinking they can win a public fight for the Fed to
absorb the majority of the risk for a deal.
As it was for JPM and Bear - JPM collected 4 billion in premiums
on CDS that disappeared when they absorbed Bear. Works
like this. They issued CDS insurance against Bear debt and but when
they absorbed the debt and it was backstopped by the
fed...the counter-party disappeared...and the insurance
ceased to exist...what do you think happened to the premiums?
Additionally, Bear held a large amount of derivative to which
JPM was a counter-party...the synergy
of eliminating the need for JPM to settle up on those
deals since for example if I own 100 shares of GE and
buy another company that is short 100 shares of GE - its
now implied that i am holding no risk...(other than spread risk
potentially). This situation grants me the full premiums on the
deal instantly. Bear was necessary for JPM not an option and it was
tremendously profitable. JPM made 8 billion on the
deal immediately and cleaned up some of their own books at the
same time. LEH may offer some similar opportunities...but this
thing is different since LEH is already backstopped by the FED and
nobody still wants to touch it.
Central banks were more worried with FNM and FRE than LEH but
they are now shaking in their boots related to the emerging CDS
crisis which LEH or FNM/FRE or WM or WB or GM or F could trigger.
LEH is a symptom for them - they hope we can hide the symptom
quickly this weekend.
LEH is not as big a player in CDS as many other IB's. JPM is the
biggest player and has 92 trillion on exposure to derivatives
risks. In fact JPM holds 1 trillion worth of hedgefund bets against
GM debt through their CDS insurance and the nominal amount of GM
debt they are protecting is 1 billion. Talk about naked
shorting!
The last time a CDS triggered under similar situations was with
Delphi. Delphi filed bankruptcy and its debt plunged...when people
tried to close out the CDS insurance...JPM was on the hook and had
to purchase debt to close the transactions...and triggered a move
from the single digits to 90+ cents or so on the dollar for
defaulted debt! This is the problem...
AIG can not survive nor can anyone else who was taken in by
default insurance and agreed to insure more than the nominal
value of the debt outstanding. The ONLY words we will be
hearing in the not to distant future are going to be related to CDS
- which by the way makes MBS, Commercal paper and our other
assorted crises look small by comparison since this was the playing
field for over-leveraged institutions, SIV's, and
hedgfunds to play with 100 to 1 leverage in some cases more looking
for their 70% yields and big bonuses...i think the biggest i've
seen is 200 to 1. LEH was not big here - but guess who is: GE, AIG,
C, JPM, Barclays etc...
Posted by treid4dou on 14th of Sep 2008 at 05:32 pm
the CDS issue is much bigger than the mortgage crisis....with
near to $45 Tr. there.....One Broker, not usually mentioned, big in
CDS ..is MS.....aside from JPM and C...as banks.
Posted by treid4dou on 14th of Sep 2008 at 12:19 pm
Great Post...!!!!! precise summary......I think the
same....and still guess we may have to include a Black
Swan.....event......which will be on the negative side.......Cant
even think of having any long position at this stage ....even with
all the effort of showing us that, maybe, its now time to buy the
dips......as it shows since a week ago.....A feeling("buy the
dip")..... that was missing.... and very much needed.........if we
are going to tank. Again.....very clear and real post.
tks.!!
So far there is no
Posted by pcampbell66 on 14th of Sep 2008 at 09:25 am
So far there is no agreement on LEH. Emerging scenario is that LEH files bankruptcy on Monday. Best alternate scenario garnering some interest is: "divide it in two companies a good and bad - Barclays buys good and 10 to 15 Wall Street firms absorb the losses of the Bad". BAC has essentially opted out of the process at this point (maybe countrywide was a good lesson for them) and ironically, it seems unlikely to me that Wall Street will willingly JUST absorb losses from the LEH bad bank. Additionally, MER and AIG need to raise cash. Rumor is that AIG needs 30 to 40 billion. God knows no one has access to 30 or 40 billion any more - and especially for a firm that can not get its story straight. WM and WB are still milling around without a paddle and do not look like they will be addressed right now. One way or the other if a deal does work out you can count on the fact that the fed has already funded it through its alphabet soup and may use some more of that soup while stressing that it did not tacitly backstop an agreement. The reality is that it has aready backstopped LEH.
If this playsout according to the worst expectations, we may get an emergency rate cut early in the week (thought there was a chance of that on Fri depending on how things went) and then we will catapult lower - welcome to hell next week. If the LEH deal does not happen to walls streets satisfaction - the fed will definitely have to do something to attempt to ease the blow and show the resot fo the world they are not asleep at the wheel...as useless as a cut would be...it would mainly serve to reinforce how bad things actually are and how out of control the fed is. Honestly I hope it does not happen...I think a cut right now would send the market MUCH lower than no cut. Jim Cramer has it all wrong - but i have to say Paulson and bernake engineered one hell of a crisis. Without their gamesmanship and antics I think the markets would have crashed long ago and we would have found the guilty parties, valued their assets and already begun piecing together a solution that could have been a building block.
As we stand right now, we exacerbated the problems by lending more money 500 billion from the Fed directly or indirectly through swaps or tax breaks...and it will not be repaid. Does anyone really think that LEH is going to repay its trading loans borrowed from the discount window if they go away. What about their asset swaps? I don't think so.
The TSLF loans that have been made by the fed have been extended and extended and most banks have been granted payment forgiveness entirely. Can you imagine that most banks have not made ONE payment to the fed on Billions and Billions of dollars. Also, the 28 day swaps of treasuries for Garbage...have NOT in a single case been rolled up. The Fed still holds the crap and the banks are still trying to fake their books with the tacit approval of the Fed and Govt by showing high quality assets instead of garbage on their balance sheet. This is why the fed does not want to publicly contribute more backstop money...they are already doing that and they are not going to get paid back. All of this is not good for the Feds balance sheet and they can not afford it. They just don't have enough money. 50%+ losses for the fed to take in short amounts of time are not easy to metabolize.
GE will be a huge problem for the markets next week and may need a capital raise also. Finding 200 billion for a few large firms is not going to be easy...in fact its going to be impossible....especially, when we know we are going to have to find another 200 billion in a few months.
Think europe, think Asia, think russia and think middle east. Greed, corruption and extreme climactic bullishness inspite of failures are coming home to roost. Just look at the Chinese Olympics as an example. These guys spent money they did not have and so did every chinese guy who setup shop expecting a BOON to his business and lost his entire life savings on a topping event with just too much positive expectation. Most thought they would get totally filthy rich off the event - reality was their restaurants were empty...for example one prime location had a full staff of waiter sitting idle every day...finally the owner sent 7 to 8 of them home while the remaining 3 or 4 sat around waiting for a customer or served the one or tow who came in. The chinese business people spent their life savings in many cases to prepare to the primal and ultimate bull market event. The chinese government spent tons of money trying to change the weather - ultimately getting the military to deliver anti rain chemistry over a several thousand mile area just so that it would not rain on the fireworks on the closing ceremony and that everything in china can look just perfect. This is the definitions of climactic! Well except the stock market which is down 60%. Nice divergence there right. Te middle east, Russia and Mr Putin are demonstrating similar climactic reactionary behaviour.
This crisis is spreading fast and you can expect to see some very tall dark and rusty towers falling apart on man made islands in Dubai soon.
Even if the Fed and Treasury pull a miracle out of their hat on this one at the last minute...the next casualties are waiting in the wings and the slippery slope has been breached...so, they could (though i think it is unlikely) stave thing off for a week or two...but they can not fix this thing anymore.
Buckle your seatbelts...
ps: sorry for the long winded post.
I think there may one very
Posted by dallahoo on 14th of Sep 2008 at 12:22 pm
I think there may one very important difference between LEH case and Faniie-freddie, I mean in addition to other factors. A lot of Fannie Freddie paper was owned by China and Russia, I have not heard or read about how big foreign ownership of Lehman's paper is, just a thought
I agree, but the primary
Posted by pcampbell66 on 14th of Sep 2008 at 01:46 pm
I agree, but the primary difference in the bailouts is that the Treasury and Fed think they will need china, Russia and Mexico etc to raise cash and buy new US debt so they did not want leave them in the wind and additionally the Treasury and Fed do not want to advertise that they will supply funds or guarantees to banks to whom they have already provided guarantees through their myriad of new facilities. I am quite sure that any deal even a LEH bankruptcy will include financial gymnastics from the FED...but they don't want AIG, GE, C, JPM, or any of the banks out there thinking they can win a public fight for the Fed to absorb the majority of the risk for a deal.
As it was for JPM and Bear - JPM collected 4 billion in premiums on CDS that disappeared when they absorbed Bear. Works like this. They issued CDS insurance against Bear debt and but when they absorbed the debt and it was backstopped by the fed...the counter-party disappeared...and the insurance ceased to exist...what do you think happened to the premiums?
Additionally, Bear held a large amount of derivative to which JPM was a counter-party...the synergy of eliminating the need for JPM to settle up on those deals since for example if I own 100 shares of GE and buy another company that is short 100 shares of GE - its now implied that i am holding no risk...(other than spread risk potentially). This situation grants me the full premiums on the deal instantly. Bear was necessary for JPM not an option and it was tremendously profitable. JPM made 8 billion on the deal immediately and cleaned up some of their own books at the same time. LEH may offer some similar opportunities...but this thing is different since LEH is already backstopped by the FED and nobody still wants to touch it.
Central banks were more worried with FNM and FRE than LEH but they are now shaking in their boots related to the emerging CDS crisis which LEH or FNM/FRE or WM or WB or GM or F could trigger. LEH is a symptom for them - they hope we can hide the symptom quickly this weekend.
LEH is not as big a player in CDS as many other IB's. JPM is the biggest player and has 92 trillion on exposure to derivatives risks. In fact JPM holds 1 trillion worth of hedgefund bets against GM debt through their CDS insurance and the nominal amount of GM debt they are protecting is 1 billion. Talk about naked shorting!
The last time a CDS triggered under similar situations was with Delphi. Delphi filed bankruptcy and its debt plunged...when people tried to close out the CDS insurance...JPM was on the hook and had to purchase debt to close the transactions...and triggered a move from the single digits to 90+ cents or so on the dollar for defaulted debt! This is the problem...
AIG can not survive nor can anyone else who was taken in by default insurance and agreed to insure more than the nominal value of the debt outstanding. The ONLY words we will be hearing in the not to distant future are going to be related to CDS - which by the way makes MBS, Commercal paper and our other assorted crises look small by comparison since this was the playing field for over-leveraged institutions, SIV's, and hedgfunds to play with 100 to 1 leverage in some cases more looking for their 70% yields and big bonuses...i think the biggest i've seen is 200 to 1. LEH was not big here - but guess who is: GE, AIG, C, JPM, Barclays etc...
the CDS issue is much
Posted by treid4dou on 14th of Sep 2008 at 05:32 pm
the CDS issue is much bigger than the mortgage crisis....with near to $45 Tr. there.....One Broker, not usually mentioned, big in CDS ..is MS.....aside from JPM and C...as banks.
pc - Terrific treatise and
Posted by vmath on 14th of Sep 2008 at 04:26 pm
pc - Terrific treatise and thinking aloud on these issues! Thanks for posting!
Great Post...!!!!! precise summary......I
Posted by treid4dou on 14th of Sep 2008 at 12:19 pm
Great Post...!!!!! precise summary......I think the same....and still guess we may have to include a Black Swan.....event......which will be on the negative side.......Cant even think of having any long position at this stage ....even with all the effort of showing us that, maybe, its now time to buy the dips......as it shows since a week ago.....A feeling("buy the dip")..... that was missing.... and very much needed.........if we are going to tank. Again.....very clear and real post. tks.!!
to what extent is all
Posted by pepperwu on 14th of Sep 2008 at 05:33 pm
to what extent is all this already factored in? financials are in big trouble, but the rest, we shall see...