The much touted 50% haircut is for privately held debt only.
Since most Greek bonds are with public institutions including the
ECB which holds a big chunk, that's more like a 20% debt reduction
which does nothing for Greece other then destroy its banks. The EU
statement was a lovely example of Orwellian double speak: The
expanded EFSF is guaranteed by all member states including those
needing bailouts.... Unfortunately there is still no creditable
backstop to halt the European crisis.
Austerity alone is not working for Greece. I live here and I see
all around me people being squeezed to death. Bartering groups are
springing up all over the country spontaneously as people try to
cope with job losses, pension cuts and increased taxes. But there
are no plans or projects to encourage economic growth even at a
modest grassroots level. A 50% debt reduction supposes reducing
Greece's debt to 120% of GDP by 2020 (supposedly good) but these
calculations are based on a growing economy....
Posted by parkridge77 on 1st of Nov 2011 at 10:25 am
Vida- TY for post--- stateside there is lots of talk that
Greece's only viable option is to leave the European Union-- any
comment on that? is that also on the airwaves over
there?
Greek bailout is not important in the grand scheme of things.
implications on Italy, Spain & Portugal are and they own most
of the junk from Greece. This is important
Posted by parkridge77 on 1st of Nov 2011 at 09:15 am
US banks have significant exposure to Euro bonds-- even
Fideltiy, I read- so this also a factor in US market
angst. Italy is Europes 3rd largest economy- why eyes are on
Italy in particular.
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Posted by steve on 1st of Nov 2011 at 08:53 am
http://www.cnbc.com/id/45114081
The much touted 50% haircut
Posted by Vida on 1st of Nov 2011 at 10:11 am
The much touted 50% haircut is for privately held debt only. Since most Greek bonds are with public institutions including the ECB which holds a big chunk, that's more like a 20% debt reduction which does nothing for Greece other then destroy its banks. The EU statement was a lovely example of Orwellian double speak: The expanded EFSF is guaranteed by all member states including those needing bailouts.... Unfortunately there is still no creditable backstop to halt the European crisis.
Austerity alone is not working for Greece. I live here and I see all around me people being squeezed to death. Bartering groups are springing up all over the country spontaneously as people try to cope with job losses, pension cuts and increased taxes. But there are no plans or projects to encourage economic growth even at a modest grassroots level. A 50% debt reduction supposes reducing Greece's debt to 120% of GDP by 2020 (supposedly good) but these calculations are based on a growing economy....
Vida- TY for post--- stateside
Posted by parkridge77 on 1st of Nov 2011 at 10:25 am
Vida- TY for post--- stateside there is lots of talk that Greece's only viable option is to leave the European Union-- any comment on that? is that also on the airwaves over there?
would set a good example
Posted by Michael on 1st of Nov 2011 at 09:03 am
would set a good example if they reject the bailout. Iceland did, and no riots, no social breakdown...
referendum
Posted by biscuit on 1st of Nov 2011 at 09:11 am
imagine the greek government asking the people what they think? socrates lives!
Greek bailout is not important
Posted by jdaswani on 1st of Nov 2011 at 09:10 am
Greek bailout is not important in the grand scheme of things. implications on Italy, Spain & Portugal are and they own most of the junk from Greece. This is important
US banks have significant exposure
Posted by parkridge77 on 1st of Nov 2011 at 09:15 am
US banks have significant exposure to Euro bonds-- even Fideltiy, I read- so this also a factor in US market angst. Italy is Europes 3rd largest economy- why eyes are on Italy in particular.