SPY System

    Posted by twedlediva on 29th of Apr 2011 at 03:18 pm
    Title: Comments Please

    Single vs. Multi The value of

    Posted by ascr on 29th of Apr 2011 at 03:36 pm

    Single vs. Multi

    The value of the Multi over the Single is the reduced losses.  This is different than draw down.

    Single vs multi

    Posted by twedlediva on 29th of Apr 2011 at 03:58 pm

    Thanks ascr. I understand reduced losses for multi vs single, but the return far out weights the losses over a long period of time. Just curious what system everyone is going with...

    It depends on how many

    Posted by yojimbo on 29th of Apr 2011 at 04:47 pm

    It depends on how many dollars you are committing, what percentage of your portfolio it represents, and how much risk you can tolerate.  The largest drawdown since 1994 is 10% (single entry), but that is no guarantee that there will not be a larger drawdown in the future.  Will you stick with the system if your $1,000,000 turns into $900,000 or less in a matter of days?

    Yojimbo, I only see 3.36% as

    Posted by twedlediva on 29th of Apr 2011 at 05:28 pm

    Yojimbo,

    I only see 3.36% as the largest losing trade. At 91% of profitable trades and 35% ARR, that beats anything I have seen in 30 years. And yes, if there was a draw down of 10% or more, I would stick with the system. I plan on taking a chunk of my retirement $ and just stay with the plan. The back testing proves, no matter what, u will come out ahead, and I need that for a certain part of my portfolio in these crazy times. Good luck.

    twedlediva, Drawdown is not necessarily the same

    Posted by yojimbo on 29th of Apr 2011 at 07:10 pm

    twedlediva,

    Drawdown is not necessarily the same as the largest losing trade.  Go to the Single Entry Overview/Statistics tab, then scroll down to Run-Up/Drawdown.  It shows the largest drawdown is $10,041.50.  That's about 10% (of $100,000).  It also shows that this drawdown occurred on March 6, 2009.  To see this drawdown on Matt's screen capture, go to the Single Entry Trade Examples tab and then find the long trade that was entered on Feb 23, 2009.  At the close on Feb 23, the system bought 1330 shares of SPY @ $74.65 = $99,284.50.  On March 6, at the low of the day ($67.10), those shares were worth $89,243.00  (1330 @ $67.10).  That's a drawdown of $10,041.50 (99,284.50 - 89,243.00).  Between Feb 23 and Mar 6 (9 trading days), the value of 1330 shares went from $99,284.50 to $89,243.00, which is more than a 10% drop.  If you had invested approx $99,284.50 on Feb 23, could you stomach being down by $10,041.50 in a matter of days.  And what if you had started with $1,000,000 on Feb 23?  Could you stomach being down by more than $100,000 on Mar 6?  Drawdown - See what I mean, jelly bean?

    I'm going with the Single.

    Posted by ascr on 29th of Apr 2011 at 04:02 pm

    I'm going with the Single.

    single entry

    Posted by twedlediva on 29th of Apr 2011 at 04:29 pm

    I've read all of Matt's System pages several times. I have compared the systems and have concluded the single is the way to go for me as well. I'm committing funds  and 100% compounding till i'm dead!! It's like a warm blanket and certainly gives peace of mind, ad day trading is just not my thing...thanks for your thoughts...

    single for me with 3x etf. I want to retire tomorrow

    Posted by onoffon on 29th of Apr 2011 at 04:34 pm

    "What time frame is the

    Posted by ascr on 29th of Apr 2011 at 03:32 pm

    "What time frame is the $100K/Multi that yields a net profit of $337"

    1995-today

    "What is "TS""

    TradeStation

    "If the market continues up, you are in 60% of your $100K, never fully invested with your allocation, right?"

    In your scenario that is correct.

     

     

    that is, as Matt outlines in one of the ME pages, taking a 100% position followed by 50% add-ons up to 250% or committing as much as 2.5x capital to the ME system. I will post the change in returns later.

    TS means TradeStation

    Posted by yojimbo on 29th of Apr 2011 at 03:29 pm

    TS means TradeStation

    Under Multi-Entry tab, Statistics, 1st

    Posted by ascr on 29th of Apr 2011 at 03:28 pm

    Under Multi-Entry tab, Statistics, 1st paragraph, Matt says "the images below show trade stats for the Single Entry System.: Does he mean actually mean 'Multi" as it says at the top of the color charts?

    Yes

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