Systems are great you are

    Mechanichal systems

    Posted by vimal on 21st of Oct 2010 at 04:23 pm

    Systems are great you are right but from my testing and I am sure Matt/Steve will agree, they need volatility to prosper

    My rough calcs say a vol of 25 on the VIX is the minimum required to make them work

    Interesting, Vimal.  Could you tell

    Posted by algyros on 21st of Oct 2010 at 04:35 pm

    Interesting, Vimal.  Could you tell me how you came up with that VIX number.

     

    BTW, the last week or so some of the eod systems have been doing well.  Specifically, FAS and the AIG systems.  And, until recently, the BIDU system has been performing well.   I turned mine off today because I didn't want to go to Vegas in anticipation of earnings, but, its profit curve is still looking pretty good.

    I agree - volatility is

    Posted by user32 on 21st of Oct 2010 at 04:28 pm

    I agree - volatility is required for them to work. If volatility is too low, then you get just enough of a move for them to trigger, but you get no follow before they reverse on you. As such, I've found that I have my system off for weeks (and occasionally a few months) at a time. Mine have been off for a few weeks now, and I'm glad they are. On a more positive note, since nearly all mechanical systems are performing terribly, in a fairly consistent manner, this means that there is an opportunity to create a counter-system (a mean-reversion type) which will take advantage of these types of moves. Something like that could be quite profitable. But that would no doubt stop working as soon as the regular ones start working again.

    That shouldn't be hard to

    Posted by algyros on 21st of Oct 2010 at 07:32 pm

    That shouldn't be hard to do.  All we need to do is to identify a period in the past with low volatility and then optimize some systems for that environment.  Then we could do a walk forward test to see how the would have worked recently.  

     

    The new SPY daily swing

    Posted by matt on 21st of Oct 2010 at 05:21 pm

    The new SPY daily swing trade system doesn't require volatility, it works in all markets.  bull, bear, sideways, high VIX, low VIX etc.  not released yet though

    I guess we are all

    Posted by dpack on 21st of Oct 2010 at 11:43 pm

    I guess we are all waiting for the release!!!

    Don't know if you've already

    Posted by kbgupta on 21st of Oct 2010 at 06:23 pm

    Don't know if you've already mentioned it, but Matt is the SPY system presently long or short? Just curious. tx

    neither.......its in cash

    Posted by rank10 on 21st of Oct 2010 at 06:43 pm

    neither.......its in cash

    thanks rank

    Posted by kbgupta on 21st of Oct 2010 at 06:45 pm

    thanks rank

    Are the statistics you posted

    Posted by algyros on 21st of Oct 2010 at 05:57 pm

    Are the statistics you posted earlier the final ones?  And, have you looked into what the system would do if you used leveraged ETFs?  

    Thanks.

    the system would perform just

    Posted by rank10 on 21st of Oct 2010 at 06:22 pm

    the system would perform just fine under the leveraged ETF's but the signals will still only be generated from the SPY.  It will be up to the individual user to decide whether or not they would like to trade the leveaged ETF's.  The average hold period is around 8 days.

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