Interesting, Vimal. Could you tell me how you came up with
that VIX number.
BTW, the last week or so some of the eod systems have been doing
well. Specifically, FAS and the AIG systems. And, until
recently, the BIDU system has been performing well. I turned
mine off today because I didn't want to go to Vegas in anticipation
of earnings, but, its profit curve is still looking pretty
good.
I agree - volatility is required for them to work. If volatility
is too low, then you get just enough of a move for them to trigger,
but you get no follow before they reverse on you. As such, I've
found that I have my system off for weeks (and occasionally a few
months) at a time. Mine have been off for a few weeks now, and I'm
glad they are. On a more positive note, since nearly all mechanical
systems are performing terribly, in a fairly consistent manner,
this means that there is an opportunity to create a counter-system
(a mean-reversion type) which will take advantage of these types of
moves. Something like that could be quite profitable. But that
would no doubt stop working as soon as the regular ones start
working again.
That shouldn't be hard to do. All we need to do is to
identify a period in the past with low volatility and then optimize
some systems for that environment. Then we could do a walk
forward test to see how the would have worked recently.
The new SPY daily swing trade system doesn't require volatility,
it works in all markets. bull, bear, sideways, high VIX, low
VIX etc. not released yet though
the system would perform just fine under the leveraged ETF's but
the signals will still only be generated from the SPY. It
will be up to the individual user to decide whether or not they
would like to trade the leveaged ETF's. The average hold
period is around 8 days.
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Systems are great you are
Mechanichal systems
Posted by vimal on 21st of Oct 2010 at 04:23 pm
Systems are great you are right but from my testing and I am sure Matt/Steve will agree, they need volatility to prosper
My rough calcs say a vol of 25 on the VIX is the minimum required to make them work
Interesting, Vimal. Could you tell
Posted by algyros on 21st of Oct 2010 at 04:35 pm
Interesting, Vimal. Could you tell me how you came up with that VIX number.
BTW, the last week or so some of the eod systems have been doing well. Specifically, FAS and the AIG systems. And, until recently, the BIDU system has been performing well. I turned mine off today because I didn't want to go to Vegas in anticipation of earnings, but, its profit curve is still looking pretty good.
I agree - volatility is
Posted by user32 on 21st of Oct 2010 at 04:28 pm
I agree - volatility is required for them to work. If volatility is too low, then you get just enough of a move for them to trigger, but you get no follow before they reverse on you. As such, I've found that I have my system off for weeks (and occasionally a few months) at a time. Mine have been off for a few weeks now, and I'm glad they are. On a more positive note, since nearly all mechanical systems are performing terribly, in a fairly consistent manner, this means that there is an opportunity to create a counter-system (a mean-reversion type) which will take advantage of these types of moves. Something like that could be quite profitable. But that would no doubt stop working as soon as the regular ones start working again.
That shouldn't be hard to
Posted by algyros on 21st of Oct 2010 at 07:32 pm
That shouldn't be hard to do. All we need to do is to identify a period in the past with low volatility and then optimize some systems for that environment. Then we could do a walk forward test to see how the would have worked recently.
The new SPY daily swing
Posted by matt on 21st of Oct 2010 at 05:21 pm
The new SPY daily swing trade system doesn't require volatility, it works in all markets. bull, bear, sideways, high VIX, low VIX etc. not released yet though
I guess we are all
Posted by dpack on 21st of Oct 2010 at 11:43 pm
I guess we are all waiting for the release!!!
Don't know if you've already
Posted by kbgupta on 21st of Oct 2010 at 06:23 pm
Don't know if you've already mentioned it, but Matt is the SPY system presently long or short? Just curious. tx
neither.......its in cash
Posted by rank10 on 21st of Oct 2010 at 06:43 pm
neither.......its in cash
thanks rank
Posted by kbgupta on 21st of Oct 2010 at 06:45 pm
thanks rank
Are the statistics you posted
Posted by algyros on 21st of Oct 2010 at 05:57 pm
Are the statistics you posted earlier the final ones? And, have you looked into what the system would do if you used leveraged ETFs?
Thanks.
the system would perform just
Posted by rank10 on 21st of Oct 2010 at 06:22 pm
the system would perform just fine under the leveraged ETF's but the signals will still only be generated from the SPY. It will be up to the individual user to decide whether or not they would like to trade the leveaged ETF's. The average hold period is around 8 days.