Burkmere, SSO and SDS have only been in existence since 2006,
whereas Matt's long term SPY system goes back to 1961.
However, one can obviously get a feel for how SSO and SDS might
have fared over the whole period by just comparing for the five
years they have been around.
Happily, the long term SPY system triggers very few trades - if
you look at the stats via the tab, there have been only eight
trades since 2006, including the current trade. In just a few
minutes a manual check of SSO and SDS on the eight pairs (buy/sell)
of dates in question would give you the answer you are looking for.
I would do it myself, but it is 11.30 pm here and I'm going to
bed...zzz
[eye patches]
Posted by philosoraptor on 6th of May 2011 at 01:10 pm
Is the 'SPY Swing System' tab and general info still available
to non-subscribers?
If so, they would be able to see current trade info and
potentially take advantage e.g. if the current price is at any
stage lower than the original trade triggering price (assuming a
long), sure they miss out on the original email alert but later get
a better entry than subscribers!
It would be an interesting exercise to calculate the total value of
shares/contracts traded in the global multiverse in order to gain
exposure to the S&P500 index.
To buy the S&P500, you can:
- go long SPY (x1), SSO (x2), UPRO (x3) or a few other less liquid
ETFs
- go short SH (x-1), SDS (x-2), SPXU (x-3) or a few other less
liquid inverse ETFs
- go long the e-mini ES futures contract or the original larger SP
futures contract
- trade options
- here in the UK, you can gain exposure to the S&P500 via a
Pound Sterling denominated ETF which trades during London Stock
Exchange hours - how? I emailed iShares to find out: "...using
proprietary pricing models that utilise futures, ADRs and proxy
pricing information to indicate underlying price (as markets would
be trading at different times)."
Posted by philosoraptor on 5th of May 2011 at 02:37 pm
I agree. Also Stefano, Matt mentioned the
other day in a post that anyone wanting to place a 'crash stop' for
their own peace of mind would need to place it at around the 15%
mark:
Posted by philosoraptor on 3rd of May 2011 at 11:33 am
It would be an interesting exercise to calculate the total value
of shares/contracts traded in the global multiverse in order to
gain exposure to the S&P500 index.
To buy the S&P500, you can:
- go long SPY, SSO, UPRO or a few other less liquid ETFs
- go short SH, SDS, SPXU or a few other less liquid inverse
ETFs
- go long the e-mini ES futures contract or the original larger
SP futures contract
- trade options
- here in the UK, you can gain exposure to
the S&P500 via a Pound Sterling denominated ETF which trades
during London Stock Exchange hours - how? I emailed iShares to find
out: "...using proprietary pricing models that utilise futures,
ADRs and proxy pricing information to indicate underlying price (as
markets would be trading at different times)."
In short, millions and millions of
shares/contracts worth billions and billions - surely BPT
membership represents the merest wrinkle in the space-time
continuum? Ultimately, I have no idea!
Here is Matt's $Silver % +/- 200MA chart from his
newsletter.
FWIW, second chart is my TS version using a simple oscillator
indicator, so the % difference can be calculated automatically.
Horizontal '0' line represents the MA.
Here is the TS code if anyone wants to track any given security
for % +/- price extremes vs any stipulated MA (and MA type):
Inputs:
Length(200),
Price(close),
MA_Type(1);
Vars:
PctAboveBelowAvg(0),
MyMovingAvg(0);
if currentbar>length then
begin
if MA_Type=1 then
MyMovingAvg = Average(Price, Length);
If MA_Type=2 then
MyMovingAvg = xAverage(Price, Length);
If MA_Type=3 then
MyMovingAvg = wAverage(Price, Length);
If MA_Type=4 then
MyMovingAvg = triAverage(Price, Length);
end else
MyMovingAvg=price;
PctAboveBelowAvg = iff(Price > 0,100*(Price -
MyMovingAvg)/MyMovingAvg, -1) ;
Plot1(PctAboveBelowAvg);
Plot2(0);
Zach, the FAS/FAZ systems use MA crossovers and/or pivots, which
essentially is momentum/breakout trading. In times of low
volatility, breakouts and breakdowns become fakeouts and fakedowns
because there is not enough momentum to create a sustained trend
(which is required to yield a profitable trade).
On the other hand, the SPY system primarily buys dips during an
overarching uptrend and shorts rips during an overarching downtrend
i.e. reversion to the mean rather than momentum.
You never know, the coding behind the SPY system *might* work
just fine for the financial sector, real estate, consumer
discretionary, Nasdaq, Russell, gold, etc, etc!
Posted by philosoraptor on 30th of Apr 2011 at 03:12 pm
I am also thinking of trading the ES but, yes, taking signals
from the SPY system at any time other than that specified by the
system would not be following the system. IMHO. And I have learnt
to my cost that I am not a discretionary trader...
Posted by philosoraptor on 30th of Apr 2011 at 06:00 am
Jim, also be aware that the first scale-in on the multi-entry
system is the very same signal for the single entry system.
So, when the first new trade signal is published after a period
of being in cash/flat, a decision has to be made:
- single entry system followers trade this new signal with 100%
of their desired capital allocation (and then do nothing further
for the rest of the trade other than wait for the exit signal).
- multi-entry system followers, on the other hand, trade 40% of
their capital allocation to this new signal and then wait for the
next scale-in signal(s) (which may or may not materialise depending
on price action).
Posted by philosoraptor on 29th of Apr 2011 at 02:31 pm
I have nothing in my inbox either. Anyway, from what I have read
and observed from the chart examples, this system buys pullbacks or
the occasional strong gap over resistance. In other words, no
chance of a buy with price currently outside/'walking' the upper
Bollinger Band. If anything, surely the system would be setting up
for a cheeky/quick counter trend short (reversion to the mean)?
I have never traded futures but have just signed up to do so,
therefore I'd be grateful if someone could correct me if I am wrong
in the following assertion:
- Regarding the E-mini ES, the contract was worth much less when
SPX was at the March 09 lows around 666 vs today at 1350ish. As
such, I believe I am correct in saying a 1% move in the ES in March
09 resulted in less points (and therefore $$) profit/loss per
contract vs an equivalent 1% today.
- In other words, although using Matt's SPY system to trade the
ES will result in the same winning and losing trades, the actual
profits and losses in $$ will differ to a fixed $100,000 per SPY
trade because of the varying values of the ES contract over
time.
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Title: SSO/SDS v SPX Burkmere, SSO
Long Term Mechanical SPY system..(not short term)
Posted by philosoraptor on 10th of May 2011 at 06:29 pm
Burkmere, SSO and SDS have only been in existence since 2006, whereas Matt's long term SPY system goes back to 1961.
However, one can obviously get a feel for how SSO and SDS might have fared over the whole period by just comparing for the five years they have been around.
Happily, the long term SPY system triggers very few trades - if you look at the stats via the tab, there have been only eight trades since 2006, including the current trade. In just a few minutes a manual check of SSO and SDS on the eight pairs (buy/sell) of dates in question would give you the answer you are looking for. I would do it myself, but it is 11.30 pm here and I'm going to bed...zzz [eye patches]
That Bollinger Band is coiling
$VIX
Posted by philosoraptor on 9th of May 2011 at 11:38 am
That Bollinger Band is coiling into a more than passing resemblance to the Loch Ness Monster. Trouble ahead?
Is the 'SPY Swing System'
Current trade tab & trade history /timely updating-use a dateline?
Posted by philosoraptor on 6th of May 2011 at 01:10 pm
Is the 'SPY Swing System' tab and general info still available to non-subscribers?
If so, they would be able to see current trade info and potentially take advantage e.g. if the current price is at any stage lower than the original trade triggering price (assuming a long), sure they miss out on the original email alert but later get a better entry than subscribers!
Title: Greece Lightning Flash Crash anniversary
Greece
Posted by philosoraptor on 6th of May 2011 at 12:41 pm
Flash Crash anniversary hoax? Hold on to your hats...
Title: Other S&P500 trading vehicles Falcon,
Different Vehicles to Trade SPY System
Posted by philosoraptor on 6th of May 2011 at 09:28 am
Falcon, my blog post from the other day:
It would be an interesting exercise to calculate the total value of shares/contracts traded in the global multiverse in order to gain exposure to the S&P500 index.
To buy the S&P500, you can:
- go long SPY (x1), SSO (x2), UPRO (x3) or a few other less liquid ETFs
- go short SH (x-1), SDS (x-2), SPXU (x-3) or a few other less liquid inverse ETFs
- go long the e-mini ES futures contract or the original larger SP futures contract
- trade options
- here in the UK, you can gain exposure to the S&P500 via a Pound Sterling denominated ETF which trades during London Stock Exchange hours - how? I emailed iShares to find out: "...using proprietary pricing models that utilise futures, ADRs and proxy pricing information to indicate underlying price (as markets would be trading at different times)."
Susan, I am confused. Assuming a
about those statistics for multi entry
Posted by philosoraptor on 5th of May 2011 at 04:47 pm
Susan, I am confused.
Assuming a long set-up, if the second entry is lower than the first entry, how can you take a "small profit" on the first trade if price is now lower?
Or have I missed something? Wouldn't be the first time...
I agree. Also Stefano, Matt
SPY MAX DRAW DOWN
Posted by philosoraptor on 5th of May 2011 at 02:37 pm
I agree. Also Stefano, Matt mentioned the other day in a post that anyone wanting to place a 'crash stop' for their own peace of mind would need to place it at around the 15% mark:
http://breakpointtrades.com/blog/post/155172/#155520
It would be an interesting
Test signal??
Posted by philosoraptor on 3rd of May 2011 at 11:33 am
It would be an interesting exercise to calculate the total value of shares/contracts traded in the global multiverse in order to gain exposure to the S&P500 index.
To buy the S&P500, you can:
- go long SPY, SSO, UPRO or a few other less liquid ETFs
- go short SH, SDS, SPXU or a few other less liquid inverse ETFs
- go long the e-mini ES futures contract or the original larger SP futures contract
- trade options
- here in the UK, you can gain exposure to the S&P500 via a Pound Sterling denominated ETF which trades during London Stock Exchange hours - how? I emailed iShares to find out: "...using proprietary pricing models that utilise futures, ADRs and proxy pricing information to indicate underlying price (as markets would be trading at different times)."
In short, millions and millions of shares/contracts worth billions and billions - surely BPT membership represents the merest wrinkle in the space-time continuum? Ultimately, I have no idea!
Touch and go at the
BPGDM finally going on a sell signal today
Posted by philosoraptor on 3rd of May 2011 at 10:17 am
Touch and go at the moment, c. 3.5%...
$Silver % +/- 200MA
SLV
Posted by philosoraptor on 2nd of May 2011 at 11:36 am
Here is Matt's $Silver % +/- 200MA chart from his newsletter.
FWIW, second chart is my TS version using a simple oscillator indicator, so the % difference can be calculated automatically. Horizontal '0' line represents the MA.
Here is the TS code if anyone wants to track any given security for % +/- price extremes vs any stipulated MA (and MA type):
Inputs:
Length(200),
Price(close),
MA_Type(1);
Vars:
PctAboveBelowAvg(0),
MyMovingAvg(0);
if currentbar>length then
begin
if MA_Type=1 then MyMovingAvg = Average(Price, Length);
If MA_Type=2 then MyMovingAvg = xAverage(Price, Length);
If MA_Type=3 then MyMovingAvg = wAverage(Price, Length);
If MA_Type=4 then MyMovingAvg = triAverage(Price, Length);
end else
MyMovingAvg=price;
PctAboveBelowAvg = iff(Price > 0,100*(Price - MyMovingAvg)/MyMovingAvg, -1) ;
Plot1(PctAboveBelowAvg);
Plot2(0);
Title: Significant top? At least one
osama bin laden has been killed, I wonder how that ...
Posted by philosoraptor on 2nd of May 2011 at 06:46 am
At least one of m3 Peter's systems is certainly in agreement - a number of short scale-ins already:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dAdQYZLckCc/Tb3Jj_hpkSI/AAAAAAAACKc/fnLeEWHqqPQ/s1600/2011-05-01_1249_TF_Swing.png
[e-mini Russell 2000 futures chart]
Title: FAS/FAZ systems Zach, the FAS/FAZ
Be careful all.....
Posted by philosoraptor on 1st of May 2011 at 03:54 pm
Zach, the FAS/FAZ systems use MA crossovers and/or pivots, which essentially is momentum/breakout trading. In times of low volatility, breakouts and breakdowns become fakeouts and fakedowns because there is not enough momentum to create a sustained trend (which is required to yield a profitable trade).
On the other hand, the SPY system primarily buys dips during an overarching uptrend and shorts rips during an overarching downtrend i.e. reversion to the mean rather than momentum.
You never know, the coding behind the SPY system *might* work just fine for the financial sector, real estate, consumer discretionary, Nasdaq, Russell, gold, etc, etc!
I am also thinking of
Using ES Futures
Posted by philosoraptor on 30th of Apr 2011 at 03:12 pm
I am also thinking of trading the ES but, yes, taking signals from the SPY system at any time other than that specified by the system would not be following the system. IMHO. And I have learnt to my cost that I am not a discretionary trader...
SSO and SDS only started
SSO and SDS with SPY System
Posted by philosoraptor on 30th of Apr 2011 at 02:57 pm
SSO and SDS only started trading in 2006, so even any direct backtesting of these ETFs using the system code would be of limited relevance.
Well then, now that you
How will we choose what signals we get? What I ...
Posted by philosoraptor on 30th of Apr 2011 at 12:25 pm
Well then, now that you know the rules, trading a mechanical system should be a breeze...
Jim, also be aware that
How will we choose what signals we get? What I ...
Posted by philosoraptor on 30th of Apr 2011 at 06:00 am
Jim, also be aware that the first scale-in on the multi-entry system is the very same signal for the single entry system.
So, when the first new trade signal is published after a period of being in cash/flat, a decision has to be made:
- single entry system followers trade this new signal with 100% of their desired capital allocation (and then do nothing further for the rest of the trade other than wait for the exit signal).
- multi-entry system followers, on the other hand, trade 40% of their capital allocation to this new signal and then wait for the next scale-in signal(s) (which may or may not materialise depending on price action).
Also, the exit will be the same for both systems.
I have nothing in my
Spy System buy signal for today Friday April 29
Posted by philosoraptor on 29th of Apr 2011 at 02:31 pm
I have nothing in my inbox either. Anyway, from what I have read and observed from the chart examples, this system buys pullbacks or the occasional strong gap over resistance. In other words, no chance of a buy with price currently outside/'walking' the upper Bollinger Band. If anything, surely the system would be setting up for a cheeky/quick counter trend short (reversion to the mean)?
Title: Using SPY system signals
SPY System - substituting SSO for SPY
Posted by philosoraptor on 28th of Apr 2011 at 10:17 am
I have never traded futures but have just signed up to do so, therefore I'd be grateful if someone could correct me if I am wrong in the following assertion:
- Regarding the E-mini ES, the contract was worth much less when SPX was at the March 09 lows around 666 vs today at 1350ish. As such, I believe I am correct in saying a 1% move in the ES in March 09 resulted in less points (and therefore $$) profit/loss per contract vs an equivalent 1% today.
- In other words, although using Matt's SPY system to trade the ES will result in the same winning and losing trades, the actual profits and losses in $$ will differ to a fixed $100,000 per SPY trade because of the varying values of the ES contract over time.
Title: CPI-adjusted price of Silver And
PRECIOUS METAL MELY UP HAS BEGUN
Posted by philosoraptor on 27th of Apr 2011 at 02:11 pm
And in inflation adjusted terms, arguably Silver still has a long, long way to go...
SPX: price stuck between R3 and the intraday VWAP
R3 on the es futures is 1329.50
Posted by philosoraptor on 20th of Apr 2011 at 03:06 pm
Price stuck between R3 and the intraday VWAP - something has to give before the close........?