possible alternate count that may not be quite as bearish, for now anyway

yep, gently,  i like the gap up open with no follow through and oppotunity for a tight stop

not before noon - austerity!!!!!

but am now just a pedant

my current favourite is "all goes well" often used by ex footballers turned commentators, when they mean "augers well"

hi kalinm,

 cannot answer in general, but in relation to bhp i would not think it would be counted as a copper stock, it is too diversified , earns far more from iron and coal than it does copper , is also currently having great trouble meeting delivery from its coal mines due to weather and strikes, was affecting it's price in aus today.

it is the broad and in depth education i value from this service. mind you there is still more to learn like what is the difference between my government and china. i understand that in china the govenment plays a role(interferes) in every part of the business cycle and here goverment and free enterprise are completely seperate ......hahahaha.... i am still trying to understand this one and i think steve and matt should make more of an effort to explain this

but i continue to learn,,,,  like tonights lesson,,,, are you serious seth????? sorry man but it sounds like you are saying that confronted with a choice of two products you have chosen to buy the one you do not like, and having purchased it, you are now demanding it be turned into the one you do like.

yep i like this one too as well as your comments, please continue to post it every now and then

thanks for that , will do

broke down nicely..... cheers......and as i went back to check your chart it dissapeared from trade ideas before my eyes,, spooky

have you tried  

www.maclarenreport.net.au

this is a very- not slick- production  ,  is more like the casual blog of a real trader who uses gann as his basis mixed up with too many years of experience and the odd rant about the establishment thrown in. which all makes it very hard to keep up with if you are new to gann and mclaren. But if you understand a bit of gann, and do his basic training book on trends (about 75 bucks i think) so you understand a bit of mclaren , then,  this guy provides an excellent daily look at spx and aussie futures, with the odd other thing thrown in, AND now and then his experience throws up a real gemfor your trading education. 

 do not know if your using stockcharts, but if you are, look for box directly under the chart called "extra bars", put a value in it like 5, it will extend the chart 5 bars distance to the right,  into the next day and you get next days pivots even tho there are no bars yet.

was pondering same action as you posted , good charts

short term gann cycle for a turn due fri/sat as well , just to add to the picture, and if it occurs it makes oct 5th a  target for a more important hi or lo. you would have to guess lo at this point.

thanks matt, i had a bit of this, and panl yesterday and aray today, nice work.

   cheers for that, i think it may be a bit longer than another 3 years.

more pertinant titbit for you, 48% of containers ex west coast u.s in june left  port empty.  stuff comes in but not much going out. except maybe jobs.

yep but have a look at it on a longer term like monthly for last 3 or 4 years, could hardly say it is looking good.