This looks like wave 4 up of some sort. Some shorts are being
scared, and some premature longs are added. XLF broke out (or eked
out) of its channel on 15-minutes, and is going build a triangle of
some sort. IMO.
No, gold has not separated from the rest of the market, and
there is no evidence so far that it will. We do not have enough
uncertainty yet. Not untill a decent crash or sell-off has occurred
based on a real problem with the economy. You are looking at least
6 months ahead with your predictions on your telescopic view of
economic reality.
A good point: Stagflation would be a more appropriate term then,
not deflation. Of 1930s and late 1970s style. Pure deflation does
not exist any more with fiat currencies.
Oh, good! This looks so far like a regular correction, which
could only last for 3-4 weeks at best and about 2 months at worst.
In early March retirement money will start flowing in, like it did
last year, which will lift markets higher again. That gives
approximately 5 more weeks, so 3 weeks down and 2 weeks up in
between.
There is one problem with moving averages: everyone knows about
them. If you glance at the GDX chart, you'll notice that it has not
touched its MA(200) and its RSI(14) at 30 for a long while. To
confuse all, I would expect a sudden dramatic drop below MA(200)
while RSI is above 30, and a swift reversal there.
We'll get more crazy trades around here when shorts are forced
to cover all of a sudden. It won't be the banks this time around,
perhaps some of the tech stocks will be good poneys to ride
overnight :-)
Yes, the downside risk $1092 down to $700 is only $392, and the
upside reward is $3000-1092=$1908. It's a 5:1 ticket, folks, and
the $3000 target will be reached. Gold is a hedge against deflation
(not inflation!), and we are in a deflationary environment. There
is no need to overcomplicate this. Gold bullion eventually will be
there, so there is no loss on this trade in the long term. I see no
basis for change of the deflationary projection anywhere on the
horizon.
Roger Wiegand, whom I read fully for his predictions based on
collecting information from multiple sources and not just chart
thinking, considers $USD at 80 to be the top, if it is reached.
http://www.kitco.com/ind/Wiegand/jan222010.html He predicts trading
in the range between 78.50 and 72.50 into the summer.
I don't see any real reason for gold heading lower than $1,000
down to $700, as EWI folks claim. If the Fed raises rates, it would
be in a year from now at least, and then the drop would be from
higher levels, perhaps $3,000 to a fraction of it. Not now.
One curious fact about commercials is that after $2,000 per
ounce they will not be able to deliver gold, as there will not be
enough of it for the current money supply. I was told that the Fed
might ban adding any new contracts after that level. Again, the
same might happen to crude oil too, at about $145pb. Till those
level are reached, the rise due to speculation will be relentless
IMO.
I am sorry to hear that your brother cannot find work for so
long. That's very depressing. As far as the price of oil is
concerned, I believe that now it has more to do with the value of
the dollar than with supply and demand. I assume that current price
of $75 pb is a fair price for the current state of economy, and the
economy is not going to depression within this year or a year and a
half. I know that the Fed doubled the amount of money supply
between August 2008 and roughly the end of last year. That money
will lead to increased prices of crude oil.
If an ounce of gold is worth on average about 15 barrels of
crude oil, and a price of one ounce of gold is to add $100 each
month after the correction is over (sometime in March?), we will
get about $1,700 per ounce of gold by the year's end (and about
$3,000 by the end of next year). Dividing 1700 by 15 gives
$113 per barrel of oil by the end of this year.
The above is based on hedging between gold and crude oil, which
is pretty reliable in my knowledge.
A trade of the year would be to buy crude oil on a technical
confirmation at about $50pb and hold it long term. Or gold. Or
both. I'd love to be disagreed with on this, so please
correct me or critique my reasoning. I believe in what I said. Have
a nice weekend as well!
This is based on the assumption that the current top is the top,
which is inconsistent with the bullish trend for commodities. If
crude oil is going to $110 this year--as some commentators predict
-- will the $SPX go down? Or up?
Are you not going to short this market because the MA(50) is
pointing up :-) ? Only crazy ideas work in this market, because
everyone knows they are crazy and does not do them. LOL!
Another observation is that a purpose of the gap is to jump over
a support or resistance zone. We saw this in December during the
stalemate between bulls and bears in the rectangle consolidation,
till the option expiration day. Ok, now the nature of the market
manipulation with futures over the weekends is clear to me: they
create gaps and ease transition to the next target. Heck, tha't why
the market falls so steeply now: it's rise to sky highs was
artificially strong, so there is less resitance than in the other
direction than it would normally have. Now Peter Campbells comment
on the purpose of the such a long advance makes sense: it was
engineered to recapitalize those who drive it at the expense of
everyone else, to the hilt.
Now I can answer your question: we will revisit that gap, but
not in wave 2. Wave 2 or B up will stop much lower than that gap
zone, because it would be such an awesome shorting opportunity for
everyone else. That trick cannot be played twice, now it's been
exposed to the masses and it will not work again. What will happen
is, the price will turn around at an odd point: a Fibbonacci
retracement plus 2 or 3 points. This advance retraced 53% of the
decline from 2003 to 2007. Wave 2 is (sometimes) engineered to
exceed a known entrance point --such a MA(20) or EMA(20)-- by 11%,
because stop loss orders are typically 10%. Or wave 2 retraces more
than 61% of the decline in wave 1: most think that a move beyond
61% retracement is a genuine move in that direction. (This explains
a sudden strong move after November lows above 1075, whereas before
that a move up seemed weak. And remember that 1075 was around 61%
of the retracement from the previous low at 1019). Quick moves are
genuine moves, and they portend more action in the same direction.
(In the EW parlance they are termed impulsive. Steve, if you are
reading this: can you explain the purpose of extra moves beyond the
minimally required number of 5 moves, such as 7, 9 or 12?)
I have plotted the Fibbonacci retracements between 1150 high and
1007=MA(200) low:
38%-
1093
50%-
1075
61%- 1057
70.7%- 1044
78%- 1032
Note that we closed at 1091, and 1075 is the 50% retracement.
Now it's becoming very interesting. Now note incorrect Fib.
retracements (the Fibbonacci retracements +3 and -3):
41%- 1088, 35% -1097
53%-
1071, 47%- 1079
64.8%-
1053, 58%-
1062
73% - 1039, 67%- 1048
So the current decline may turn around at 1088 (41%),
1079(47%),1071(53%),1062(58%),1053(64%). Assuming that the whole
move is going to be ABC, and wave C is 61% of move A; I get
1051-1007=144, and 144:2.61=55, and 144-55=89. A drop from 1151 in
89 points would lead us to
1062, which is 58.8% retracement of the move from
1151 down to 1007.
Therefore, 1062 is a pretty realistic target for wave A down. As
far as the whole move, 10% of 1150 is 115 points, leading us to
1036. The average decline so far has been 6.37%, or about 80
points, leading us to 1081. So, if 1071 is taken out, we are headed
down to 1036 or 1007 for the entire move.
Ok, I understand the purpose of gaps now (see my other post). I
don't see it relevant to deciding where the short-term trend may
reverse: the assumption that there are enough orders there at the
gap that would interfere with the move in the opposite direction.
Well, there are many more orders below the gap as well. In my
observation, what determines the turning points is not the number
of orders but the density of the orders in one place, compactly
placed to obstruct further price movement. I see no reason to
assume that gaps would contain a highed density of orders than
normal.
Turning points occurs in two major cases: buyers (or sellers)
are exhausted or they switch sides when the trend has gone too far
and for too long, and when density of new sellers (or buyers)
exceeds the density of existing buyers (or sellers). Then gaps
could become an obstacle only if the trend has lasted long and is
ripe for reversal already, so a bit higher density of orders in the
opposite direction impedes the already weak trend.
There is another story to gap at 1075: 1070 to 1075 was an old
resistance. To me the word resistance here matters more than the
word gap.
Ok, then gaps represent a backlog of orders that could enter the
market at the break-even point and be forced to be used, or else
losses may ensue. I am not sure how much demand there is to sell at
the break-even point -- lest losses would be incurred -- among the
professional traders. But the intent is clear : to force to sell
(for a gap down) or to force to buy (for a gap up) in order to have
no free riders for the move in the opposite direction. It is
similar to running stops of top- or bottom pickers. This explains
why wave 2's turn around at the gap areas which are part of wave 1.
Incidentally, this explains the purpose of wave 2: to clear the
majority of the orders (up to 78%, I guess), which were misplaced
or placed late, before resuming a trend. Then the purpose of
wave 4 is to force the majority of orders to sell prematurely
rather than at the point of completion of wave 3. The purpose of
wave 5 is then to force to sell those who entered the trade
prematurely anticipating a reversal.
This whole thing makes sene to me now. Thanks for feeding me
with relevant information.
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My working theory is that
$VIX Non confirming...
Posted by junkie on 27th of Jan 2010 at 11:28 am
My working theory is that a break out of a channel signifies wave 4. FWIW.
Usually a trendline is pearsed
$VIX Non confirming...
Posted by junkie on 27th of Jan 2010 at 11:10 am
Usually a trendline is pearsed on a bottom. I don't see a break and a reversal yet.
Or the $SPX not going
$VIX Non confirming...
Posted by junkie on 27th of Jan 2010 at 10:51 am
Or the $SPX not going low enough yet to get $VIX to confirm. The support at 1085 could break, we only started wave 5 with breaking the 1091 support.
Here is your bounce, retesting
$SPX...
Posted by junkie on 27th of Jan 2010 at 10:33 am
Here is your bounce, retesting the support turned resistance before going lower.
This looks like wave 4
Spiked
Posted by junkie on 26th of Jan 2010 at 10:14 am
This looks like wave 4 up of some sort. Some shorts are being scared, and some premature longs are added. XLF broke out (or eked out) of its channel on 15-minutes, and is going build a triangle of some sort. IMO.
Lows must come intraday, not
1085 support? -- sectors out of whack... something's not right
Posted by junkie on 26th of Jan 2010 at 09:45 am
Lows must come intraday, not at the opening. Selling last week was ferocious, and after that a weaker low is all we can get? I disbelieve it.
Roughly. IYR is in the
1085 support? -- sectors out of whack... something's not right
Posted by junkie on 26th of Jan 2010 at 03:07 am
Roughly. IYR is in the channel like $SPX, while XLF broke out of its channel and is riding on its upper trend line (on 10- or 15-minute charts).
hurricanemalta, pardon my borrowed quote
Matt/Steve/others ..gold vs USD
Posted by junkie on 25th of Jan 2010 at 08:36 am
hurricanemalta, pardon my borrowed quote and watch treasury bond yields for a signal. If gold does not sell hard in May/June, that's another signal.
No, gold has not separated
Matt/Steve/others ..gold vs USD
Posted by junkie on 24th of Jan 2010 at 11:28 pm
No, gold has not separated from the rest of the market, and there is no evidence so far that it will. We do not have enough uncertainty yet. Not untill a decent crash or sell-off has occurred based on a real problem with the economy. You are looking at least 6 months ahead with your predictions on your telescopic view of economic reality.
The same on my Ameritrade
Guys Question Below for You - HELP
Posted by junkie on 24th of Jan 2010 at 09:32 pm
The same on my Ameritrade platform: 1150.45
A good point: Stagflation would
Potential scenario for the next few weeks
Posted by junkie on 23rd of Jan 2010 at 11:21 pm
A good point: Stagflation would be a more appropriate term then, not deflation. Of 1930s and late 1970s style. Pure deflation does not exist any more with fiat currencies.
Oh, good! This looks so
Matt/Steve -- Intermediate trend
Posted by junkie on 23rd of Jan 2010 at 11:14 pm
Oh, good! This looks so far like a regular correction, which could only last for 3-4 weeks at best and about 2 months at worst. In early March retirement money will start flowing in, like it did last year, which will lift markets higher again. That gives approximately 5 more weeks, so 3 weeks down and 2 weeks up in between.
There is one problem with moving averages: everyone knows about them. If you glance at the GDX chart, you'll notice that it has not touched its MA(200) and its RSI(14) at 30 for a long while. To confuse all, I would expect a sudden dramatic drop below MA(200) while RSI is above 30, and a swift reversal there.
We'll get more crazy trades around here when shorts are forced to cover all of a sudden. It won't be the banks this time around, perhaps some of the tech stocks will be good poneys to ride overnight :-)
Yes, the downside risk $1092
Potential scenario for the next few weeks
Posted by junkie on 23rd of Jan 2010 at 06:23 pm
Yes, the downside risk $1092 down to $700 is only $392, and the upside reward is $3000-1092=$1908. It's a 5:1 ticket, folks, and the $3000 target will be reached. Gold is a hedge against deflation (not inflation!), and we are in a deflationary environment. There is no need to overcomplicate this. Gold bullion eventually will be there, so there is no loss on this trade in the long term. I see no basis for change of the deflationary projection anywhere on the horizon.
rbreese on $USD
Potential scenario for the next few weeks
Posted by junkie on 23rd of Jan 2010 at 11:49 am
Roger Wiegand, whom I read fully for his predictions based on collecting information from multiple sources and not just chart thinking, considers $USD at 80 to be the top, if it is reached. http://www.kitco.com/ind/Wiegand/jan222010.html He predicts trading in the range between 78.50 and 72.50 into the summer.
I don't see any real reason for gold heading lower than $1,000 down to $700, as EWI folks claim. If the Fed raises rates, it would be in a year from now at least, and then the drop would be from higher levels, perhaps $3,000 to a fraction of it. Not now.
One curious fact about commercials is that after $2,000 per ounce they will not be able to deliver gold, as there will not be enough of it for the current money supply. I was told that the Fed might ban adding any new contracts after that level. Again, the same might happen to crude oil too, at about $145pb. Till those level are reached, the rise due to speculation will be relentless IMO.
Thanks for your provocative comments!
rbreese on a trend in crude oil
Potential scenario for the next few weeks
Posted by junkie on 23rd of Jan 2010 at 10:50 am
I am sorry to hear that your brother cannot find work for so long. That's very depressing. As far as the price of oil is concerned, I believe that now it has more to do with the value of the dollar than with supply and demand. I assume that current price of $75 pb is a fair price for the current state of economy, and the economy is not going to depression within this year or a year and a half. I know that the Fed doubled the amount of money supply between August 2008 and roughly the end of last year. That money will lead to increased prices of crude oil.
If an ounce of gold is worth on average about 15 barrels of crude oil, and a price of one ounce of gold is to add $100 each month after the correction is over (sometime in March?), we will get about $1,700 per ounce of gold by the year's end (and about $3,000 by the end of next year). Dividing 1700 by 15 gives $113 per barrel of oil by the end of this year.
The above is based on hedging between gold and crude oil, which is pretty reliable in my knowledge.
A trade of the year would be to buy crude oil on a technical confirmation at about $50pb and hold it long term. Or gold. Or both. I'd love to be disagreed with on this, so please correct me or critique my reasoning. I believe in what I said. Have a nice weekend as well!
This is based on the
Potential scenario for the next few weeks
Posted by junkie on 23rd of Jan 2010 at 09:35 am
This is based on the assumption that the current top is the top, which is inconsistent with the bullish trend for commodities. If crude oil is going to $110 this year--as some commentators predict -- will the $SPX go down? Or up?
Are you not going to
Matt/Steve -- Intermediate trend
Posted by junkie on 23rd of Jan 2010 at 09:28 am
Are you not going to short this market because the MA(50) is pointing up :-) ? Only crazy ideas work in this market, because everyone knows they are crazy and does not do them. LOL!
Realistic targets for this move down based on Fibbonacci ratios
$SPX...
Posted by junkie on 23rd of Jan 2010 at 09:14 am
Another observation is that a purpose of the gap is to jump over a support or resistance zone. We saw this in December during the stalemate between bulls and bears in the rectangle consolidation, till the option expiration day. Ok, now the nature of the market manipulation with futures over the weekends is clear to me: they create gaps and ease transition to the next target. Heck, tha't why the market falls so steeply now: it's rise to sky highs was artificially strong, so there is less resitance than in the other direction than it would normally have. Now Peter Campbells comment on the purpose of the such a long advance makes sense: it was engineered to recapitalize those who drive it at the expense of everyone else, to the hilt.
Now I can answer your question: we will revisit that gap, but not in wave 2. Wave 2 or B up will stop much lower than that gap zone, because it would be such an awesome shorting opportunity for everyone else. That trick cannot be played twice, now it's been exposed to the masses and it will not work again. What will happen is, the price will turn around at an odd point: a Fibbonacci retracement plus 2 or 3 points. This advance retraced 53% of the decline from 2003 to 2007. Wave 2 is (sometimes) engineered to exceed a known entrance point --such a MA(20) or EMA(20)-- by 11%, because stop loss orders are typically 10%. Or wave 2 retraces more than 61% of the decline in wave 1: most think that a move beyond 61% retracement is a genuine move in that direction. (This explains a sudden strong move after November lows above 1075, whereas before that a move up seemed weak. And remember that 1075 was around 61% of the retracement from the previous low at 1019). Quick moves are genuine moves, and they portend more action in the same direction. (In the EW parlance they are termed impulsive. Steve, if you are reading this: can you explain the purpose of extra moves beyond the minimally required number of 5 moves, such as 7, 9 or 12?)
I have plotted the Fibbonacci retracements between 1150 high and 1007=MA(200) low:
38%- 1093
50%- 1075
61%- 1057
70.7%- 1044
78%- 1032
Note that we closed at 1091, and 1075 is the 50% retracement. Now it's becoming very interesting. Now note incorrect Fib. retracements (the Fibbonacci retracements +3 and -3):
41%- 1088, 35% -1097
53%- 1071, 47%- 1079
64.8%- 1053, 58%- 1062
73% - 1039, 67%- 1048
So the current decline may turn around at 1088 (41%), 1079(47%),1071(53%),1062(58%),1053(64%). Assuming that the whole move is going to be ABC, and wave C is 61% of move A; I get 1051-1007=144, and 144:2.61=55, and 144-55=89. A drop from 1151 in 89 points would lead us to 1062, which is 58.8% retracement of the move from 1151 down to 1007.
Therefore, 1062 is a pretty realistic target for wave A down. As far as the whole move, 10% of 1150 is 115 points, leading us to 1036. The average decline so far has been 6.37%, or about 80 points, leading us to 1081. So, if 1071 is taken out, we are headed down to 1036 or 1007 for the entire move.
Disagreements and corrections are welcome!
Title: to hurricanemalta on gaps Ok,
$SPX...
Posted by junkie on 22nd of Jan 2010 at 11:38 pm
Ok, I understand the purpose of gaps now (see my other post). I don't see it relevant to deciding where the short-term trend may reverse: the assumption that there are enough orders there at the gap that would interfere with the move in the opposite direction. Well, there are many more orders below the gap as well. In my observation, what determines the turning points is not the number of orders but the density of the orders in one place, compactly placed to obstruct further price movement. I see no reason to assume that gaps would contain a highed density of orders than normal.
Turning points occurs in two major cases: buyers (or sellers) are exhausted or they switch sides when the trend has gone too far and for too long, and when density of new sellers (or buyers) exceeds the density of existing buyers (or sellers). Then gaps could become an obstacle only if the trend has lasted long and is ripe for reversal already, so a bit higher density of orders in the opposite direction impedes the already weak trend.
There is another story to gap at 1075: 1070 to 1075 was an old resistance. To me the word resistance here matters more than the word gap.
Ok, then gaps represent a
SPX 30 min chart and video
Posted by junkie on 22nd of Jan 2010 at 11:13 pm
Ok, then gaps represent a backlog of orders that could enter the market at the break-even point and be forced to be used, or else losses may ensue. I am not sure how much demand there is to sell at the break-even point -- lest losses would be incurred -- among the professional traders. But the intent is clear : to force to sell (for a gap down) or to force to buy (for a gap up) in order to have no free riders for the move in the opposite direction. It is similar to running stops of top- or bottom pickers. This explains why wave 2's turn around at the gap areas which are part of wave 1. Incidentally, this explains the purpose of wave 2: to clear the majority of the orders (up to 78%, I guess), which were misplaced or placed late, before resuming a trend. Then the purpose of wave 4 is to force the majority of orders to sell prematurely rather than at the point of completion of wave 3. The purpose of wave 5 is then to force to sell those who entered the trade prematurely anticipating a reversal.
This whole thing makes sene to me now. Thanks for feeding me with relevant information.