Trading Tax

    Posted by whistlebear on 25th of Nov 2009 at 09:31 am
    Title: New Traders Tax Proposed

    Not what is projected to be

    Posted by d_engel on 25th of Nov 2009 at 12:06 pm

    The supporters contend that the Tobin Tax will generate a specific target tax revenue and the removal of "speculators, short interest and high velocity traders" will benefit long term investors.  First, I suspect that the number of trades will fall if the trading tax proposal became a reality forcing many out of business and changing the way the remainder conduct their trading business.  Further, there would be some relative decline in income due to this tax. Net, net, the tax revenue projection is misconceived and there will also be a reduction in income tax paid.  Lastly, the Tobin Tax would likely impair price discovery and a drop in volume would add, not diminish volatility which is what the tax supporters contend.

    Unfortunately Wall St.'s greed and

    Posted by dylan398 on 25th of Nov 2009 at 10:12 am

    Unfortunately Wall St.'s greed and congress stupidity has opened up pandoras box.....Main St. feels like they mortgaged their future last year to "bail out" Wall St.....and less than a year later wall St. firms are showing record profits and record bonusues...while "Main St" is floundering...no hope in site..

    the problem with the 'traders

    Posted by matt on 25th of Nov 2009 at 10:29 am

    the problem with the 'traders tax' is that it punishes people who had NOTHING to do with the financial crisis that was in housing, banks, etc.  

    People who trade stocks and futures had nothing to do with that mess.  It stems from people being willing to take on too much debt, and loose regulations, but that has nothing to do with any of us trading stock or futures, or even firms doing it.  It's another bill that is not being brought up because someone stuck their finger up in the air to see which way the wind blows. 

    It also stems from the fact that the administration would constantly use phrases like 'Wall Street got us into this mess'.  So the masses here that and think, yeah let's tax Wall Street.  People here that and think that trading is what caused the mess, it's not, the bill is misguided and would punish a lot of people who have nothing do with the mess.  It just annoys me to no end.

    tax on trading

    Posted by parki48 on 25th of Nov 2009 at 12:05 pm

    we don't pay tax on trading in the UK, it would finish the business so we dont get charged on winnings, same with horse racing, as long as you pay a small percentage at the beginning like a niminal pre-tax you keep all your winnings but nothing at all on trading.

    park, when you say it will

    Posted by chlo888 on 25th of Nov 2009 at 12:21 pm

    park,

    when you say it will finish the business...are you saying the trader tax will affect you? I don't see how it could as it would be a USA law and not apply to you assuming you reside in the UK.

    the best part of the

    Posted by dylan398 on 25th of Nov 2009 at 12:10 pm

    the best part of the US is that you will pay taxes on what ever you make per year...up to infinity.....BUT, if you lose 30K....you can only claim 2K per year...that is unless you are trading as a career...then  the rules are dfferent...I think(please someone correct me if I'm wrong)

    yeah lol agree.  it's $3K

    Posted by matt on 25th of Nov 2009 at 12:17 pm

    yeah lol agree.  it's $3K a year instead of $2K, but not like that $1K makes a difference lol.

    However if you change your tax status to mark to market, you can deduct what you actually lose, so if you lose $30K, you can deduct $30K instead of $3K. 

    Here's a firm that will help you set it up.  These days it's harder to set up MTM status because the IRS is more strict about it.  However, the trick now is to set up an LLC for yourself, this firm does that. 

    http://www.greencompany.com/

    matt, Isn't that usually what happens

    Posted by dylan398 on 25th of Nov 2009 at 10:50 am

    matt,

    Isn't that usually what happens in life..the people that create the mess are never the ones that clean up the mess. Life is not fair and this bill will cause more harm than good. Hopefully it is just a scare tactic..but this is one of those factors that could start the US market to the downside...

    Like mama always said-it takes

    Posted by shamutooth on 25th of Nov 2009 at 11:16 am

    Like mama always said-it takes 100 smart people to clean up the mess of one dumbass.

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