SRS

    Posted by airstream on 15th of Apr 2009 at 04:01 pm

    Out of SRS short  in one account 14 % gain  Out URE   long  in another 13.5 % gain   .     SRS system is   fantastic   Thanks Matt 

    URE/SRS

    Posted by steever on 15th of Apr 2009 at 04:11 pm

    what ratio would you trade URE to SRS to equalize volatility between the two?

    SRS / URE

    Posted by airstream on 15th of Apr 2009 at 04:32 pm

     I have followed them for quite a while now and I don't find the difference significant for me in my tradeing.  I prefer SRS when I can but can't short SRS in my vanguard   ira account

    ratio

    Posted by cdjd on 15th of Apr 2009 at 04:18 pm

    the ratio varies over time. At any moment    divide SRS price by URE price and round off

     

    example 30.90/3.40 = 9.08823539 so 100 SRS = 908 URE

    URE/SRS

    Posted by steever on 15th of Apr 2009 at 04:36 pm

    Yes, that ratio equalizes the shares on a cost basis.  For example if you wanted to trade $100,000 worth of each, the 9 times ratio works.  However, I was looking for the relative volatility of each stock and determine a position size for URE.  Correct me if i'm wrong, but the SRS was down approximately 5.50 today and the URE was up 42 cents.   That's a 13 times greater move by the SRS than the URE, therefore I'd consider trading URE 13 times greater than I would SRS to truly equalize those positions.

    SRS/URE

    Posted by bgwade on 15th of Apr 2009 at 05:04 pm

    Wouldn't the proper way to look at be the percent gain of each?  If wanted to short SRS but couldn't and had to buy URE instead and if SRS was down 10% (+10% if you were short) and URE were up 5% then you would need twice as much URE to have the equivalent gain as being short SRS.  Yes/No????

    URE / SRS

    Posted by philr on 15th of Apr 2009 at 05:32 pm

    URE and SRS should match either other - eg, if SRS is down 10% URE should be up 10%. The price $3.43 vs. $30.87 doesn't matter. The percentage should be the same. They both moved about 15% today from yesterday's closing price.

    URE/SRS

    Posted by cdjd on 15th of Apr 2009 at 05:00 pm

    during the day twin ultra ETF's do not track perfectly. At the end of day they are better.

    Also the minute to minute volatility comes into play (search posts with the word "Algebra" for detail)

    the etf's are supposed to track each other in % move (opposite each other) thus

    if SRS goes up 2% and then goes down 4% net result is down 2.08%

    URE would in theory be up only 1.92% If you do this "up down"  a few times during the day the divergence get significant.

    One is $30 stock (SRS)

    Posted by cspirit on 15th of Apr 2009 at 04:15 pm

    One is $30 stock (SRS) and one is $3.00 stock (URE).     Use these as starting % breakout.   I personally do 5 to 1   500 URE to Every 100 SRS but I'm not a real all in kinda of trader.

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