Posted by McFly1985 on 1st of Apr 2018 at 11:45 pm
Usually the reasons for setting up an entity are for legal
protection and tax benefits. For professional day traders, however,
it doesn't make as much sense to set up an LLC (or corporation) as
it might if you own a business or real estate. Reason 1:
Professional day traders (i.e. if you can qualify as such according
to the IRS) can already write off their necessary and reasonable
trading expenses anyway, without need for an entity. Reason 2:
Professional day traders aren't generally subject to FICA (~15%
self-employment) taxes, but if you set up an entity like an LLC, I
believe that you have to start paying those (so it's like the
reverse of getting Geico). Reason 3: Tons of paperwork with
brokerages, extra brokerage fees, entity setup fees, and a hefty
$800-$1,000 annual renewal fees to renew your LLC with the State of
California. Reason 4: Apart from tax reasons (which an LLC might
actually make worse), a main reason to set up an LLC is to
quarantine lawsuits, so that people suing you can't get your other
assets (your house, car, other businesses, real estate, etc).
However, it's pretty rare when your trading business leads to you
getting sued, since it's just you, a computer, and an internet
connection. (I guess you could accidentally poke someone in the eye
while reaching for your keyboard or something). So, few upsides,
lots of downsides. A person might just be better off getting a
personal liability policy (umbrella insurance) to protect against
personal lawsuits ($400 a year for $2 million in coverage), and
enjoy the existing day trading tax benefits the IRS provides.
Disclaimer: I'm not an attorney or an accountant, so McFly just
might have his shoes untied.
Posted by sschulman on 1st of Apr 2018 at 01:29 pm
Friend of mine runs a small publishing corporation. Few yrs ago
she tried to open a trading account at TDWaterhouse in the name of
her company. You wouldn't BELIEVE the extra paperwork. I don't
think the brokerage firm would allow you to not be responsible for
your trading losses no matter whether you're a sole proprietor or a
corporation. Taxation pros and cons are a different issue and
you could look that up -- I'm in Canada so can't say.
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Full time day trader in
Posted by buddha on 1st of Apr 2018 at 12:14 pm
Full time day trader in California. Has anyone set up a trading LLC or know any pros/cons of having it as a business?
Usually the reasons for setting
Posted by McFly1985 on 1st of Apr 2018 at 11:45 pm
Usually the reasons for setting up an entity are for legal protection and tax benefits. For professional day traders, however, it doesn't make as much sense to set up an LLC (or corporation) as it might if you own a business or real estate. Reason 1: Professional day traders (i.e. if you can qualify as such according to the IRS) can already write off their necessary and reasonable trading expenses anyway, without need for an entity. Reason 2: Professional day traders aren't generally subject to FICA (~15% self-employment) taxes, but if you set up an entity like an LLC, I believe that you have to start paying those (so it's like the reverse of getting Geico). Reason 3: Tons of paperwork with brokerages, extra brokerage fees, entity setup fees, and a hefty $800-$1,000 annual renewal fees to renew your LLC with the State of California. Reason 4: Apart from tax reasons (which an LLC might actually make worse), a main reason to set up an LLC is to quarantine lawsuits, so that people suing you can't get your other assets (your house, car, other businesses, real estate, etc). However, it's pretty rare when your trading business leads to you getting sued, since it's just you, a computer, and an internet connection. (I guess you could accidentally poke someone in the eye while reaching for your keyboard or something). So, few upsides, lots of downsides. A person might just be better off getting a personal liability policy (umbrella insurance) to protect against personal lawsuits ($400 a year for $2 million in coverage), and enjoy the existing day trading tax benefits the IRS provides. Disclaimer: I'm not an attorney or an accountant, so McFly just might have his shoes untied.
Thanks Mcfly!
Posted by buddha on 2nd of Apr 2018 at 08:42 am
Thanks Mcfly!
Friend of mine runs a
Posted by sschulman on 1st of Apr 2018 at 01:29 pm
Friend of mine runs a small publishing corporation. Few yrs ago she tried to open a trading account at TDWaterhouse in the name of her company. You wouldn't BELIEVE the extra paperwork. I don't think the brokerage firm would allow you to not be responsible for your trading losses no matter whether you're a sole proprietor or a corporation. Taxation pros and cons are a different issue and you could look that up -- I'm in Canada so can't say.