1) Well, I called my broker this morning and he told me that
Canadian clients' funds are in a Canadian bank and that the money
IS all there, so not to worry about the money. Do I believe him? I
believe that he probably believes himself. He also reminded me that
Canadian futures brokerages (even if they're just smaller branches
of American brokerages) are still required by Canadian law to be
insured by the CIPF (Canadian Investors Protection Fund).
This IS specifically for futures. So if a brokerage firm goes
bankrupt, their retail Canadian clients can (in theory anyway) get
up to 1 million dollars of their funds back.
2) THEN, I got this email, cut-pasted below:
"Tuesday, July 10, 2012
As referenced in a customer email sent on Monday, July 9, NFA
and other officials have put all PFGBEST customer funds on
hold.
PFGBEST's clearing FCM will liquidate all open positions still
held by PFGBEST customers. Please note that the liquidation may not
be reflected on BESTDirect platforms when you logon on Tuesday.
We will update you as any new procedures are stipulated and with
any further information as it becomes available."
So all day I'm wondering if and when they've liquidated me, and
at what prices and I called broker again who says that nothing is
for sure.
3) THEN I get this email from my broker's office
"Due to the current circumstances surrounding PFGBest, PFGC has
been given permission and ultimately assistance by IIROC to bulk
transfer all accounts to a new Investment Dealer. Jefferies,
our current clearing firm, and the NFA have both confirmed that the
liquidation order and the freezing of funds DOES NOT APPLY to PFG
Canada. Once your account is transferred you will be able to
move it to a firm of your choice if you wish to do so.
Updates will follow as new information becomes available.
PFG Canada Inc."
So I called him AGAIN to ask to which "New Investment
Dealer" will my account will be transferred? when
will I know? and since I have no way to see what's now in my
account, how sure can I really be that nothing's
been done to it? And what if I want to trade? What if
I want to put in a stop-loss strategy? And how can I do
that if I can't be sure whether I even have open
positions? He really had no answers.
I suggested that it might save him some time if he sent out more
emails rather than trying to tell everybody one at a time, the
same thing as we all call in. I'll call him again tomorrow
morning.
So for me, personally, it could be a lot worse. I feel badly for
their US clients.
Susan - thank you for the detailed update on the PFG situation.
I'm happy to hear about the Canadian holders and hopefully you will
get a full recovery. It appears the US holders won't be so lucky
(beyond frustrating)....the word is that the firm was troubled
(covering it up) for years. My best wishes to anyone involved in
this mess.
Thanks Steve for the emotional support, and thanks Darnelds for
that zerohedge link rating the FCM's.
I had to let the phone ring about 50 times when calling PFG -
they've all lost their jobs so why should they bother even showing
up - but finally someone answered and was able to tell me that our
accounts are being transferred to RJ O'Brien. So the first thing I
did was to look up RJ Obrien on those ratings at zerohedge.
RJ Obrien was much more helpful with information. The guy I
spoke to said that this is a routine procedure for them now,
because they did the same thing for the MF-Global-Canada customers.
The transfer will take 2-3 days so maybe I'll be able to have
access to my account early next week.
So now I know my positions are intact, money is safe, but
meanwhile I still can't trade. I'm short far-out-of-money options
so unless there's a crash up or down (anything's possible) this
week, I'll be ok.
Bad news and Good news PFG update
Posted by sschulman on 10th of Jul 2012 at 08:03 pm
1) Well, I called my broker this morning and he told me that Canadian clients' funds are in a Canadian bank and that the money IS all there, so not to worry about the money. Do I believe him? I believe that he probably believes himself. He also reminded me that Canadian futures brokerages (even if they're just smaller branches of American brokerages) are still required by Canadian law to be insured by the CIPF (Canadian Investors Protection Fund). This IS specifically for futures. So if a brokerage firm goes bankrupt, their retail Canadian clients can (in theory anyway) get up to 1 million dollars of their funds back.
2) THEN, I got this email, cut-pasted below:
"Tuesday, July 10, 2012
As referenced in a customer email sent on Monday, July 9, NFA and other officials have put all PFGBEST customer funds on hold.
PFGBEST's clearing FCM will liquidate all open positions still held by PFGBEST customers. Please note that the liquidation may not be reflected on BESTDirect platforms when you logon on Tuesday.
We will update you as any new procedures are stipulated and with any further information as it becomes available."
So all day I'm wondering if and when they've liquidated me, and at what prices and I called broker again who says that nothing is for sure.
3) THEN I get this email from my broker's office
"Due to the current circumstances surrounding PFGBest, PFGC has been given permission and ultimately assistance by IIROC to bulk transfer all accounts to a new Investment Dealer. Jefferies, our current clearing firm, and the NFA have both confirmed that the liquidation order and the freezing of funds DOES NOT APPLY to PFG Canada. Once your account is transferred you will be able to move it to a firm of your choice if you wish to do so. Updates will follow as new information becomes available.
PFG Canada Inc."
So I called him AGAIN to ask to which "New Investment Dealer" will my account will be transferred? when will I know? and since I have no way to see what's now in my account, how sure can I really be that nothing's been done to it? And what if I want to trade? What if I want to put in a stop-loss strategy? And how can I do that if I can't be sure whether I even have open positions? He really had no answers.
I suggested that it might save him some time if he sent out more emails rather than trying to tell everybody one at a time, the same thing as we all call in. I'll call him again tomorrow morning.
So for me, personally, it could be a lot worse. I feel badly for their US clients.
.....Susan
Susan - thank you for
Posted by steve on 10th of Jul 2012 at 09:41 pm
Susan - thank you for the detailed update on the PFG situation. I'm happy to hear about the Canadian holders and hopefully you will get a full recovery. It appears the US holders won't be so lucky (beyond frustrating)....the word is that the firm was troubled (covering it up) for years. My best wishes to anyone involved in this mess.
Thanks Darnelds and Steve
Posted by sschulman on 11th of Jul 2012 at 11:32 am
Thanks Steve for the emotional support, and thanks Darnelds for that zerohedge link rating the FCM's.
I had to let the phone ring about 50 times when calling PFG - they've all lost their jobs so why should they bother even showing up - but finally someone answered and was able to tell me that our accounts are being transferred to RJ O'Brien. So the first thing I did was to look up RJ Obrien on those ratings at zerohedge.
RJ Obrien was much more helpful with information. The guy I spoke to said that this is a routine procedure for them now, because they did the same thing for the MF-Global-Canada customers. The transfer will take 2-3 days so maybe I'll be able to have access to my account early next week.
So now I know my positions are intact, money is safe, but meanwhile I still can't trade. I'm short far-out-of-money options so unless there's a crash up or down (anything's possible) this week, I'll be ok.
.....Susan
Grades for other brokerage firms: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/first-mfglobal-now-pfg-who-next
Posted by darnelds on 10th of Jul 2012 at 08:23 pm
Grades for other brokerage firms:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/first-mfglobal-now-pfg-who-next