Posted by spoulson on 15th of Apr 2011 at 05:03 pm
Zach: the problem with the world is the growing hatred
between people that don't share the same views
(Democrat/Republican, Christian/Muslim, legals/illegals,
Suni/Shiite, and on and on and on). It makes me sick to see
the hatred that has grown the past 20 years or so. People
like Hannity (and it sounds like you too) don't realize the harm
they do with seeming cute little know-it-all jabs. Anger is
just a reaction to things not going according to your personal
rules. Everyone has their own rules. Think about that.
BTW, I'm not an Obama fan; most of my views are
Libertarian. I believe the founding fathers would be ashamed
of what we've become.
The choice is between Treason and Incompetence.
BTW... I'm good at throwing muck at both parties...
The only difference is that it is almost impossible to get a
third party going... so your better off trying to reform the
party of incompetence than deal with the party that is beyond
repair and bears any resemblance of what our founder
wanted.
So well stated. Anything that divides Americans
(Republicans and Democrats are a great example) just work to keep
the people holding us down (banks and Wall street---war mongers,
etc) in power. Divide and conquer-classic.
I challenge anyone to show me the difference between Bush and
Obama...
Posted by macksurf on 16th of Apr 2011 at 06:32 am
Well said. It's interesting, If everyone were able to dissolve
some of their ego away they would all be better traders. Several
years ago I started working on letting go of my ego(it's
very
hard). I used to stress out over investing
and I mostly lost money. Then a few years ago I noticed that
trading had become significantly
less stressful and I was making alot more
money. It's a win win way of life for you and
everyone! Start by turning off that damn television(especially
cnbc) and go see Atlas Shrugged!
What amuses me the most is watching the left and right duke it
out while the puppet masters sit back and soak up all the
riches! The best is for the most part the masses don't have a
clue what is going on nor do they have a hint who the people that
pull the strings really are!
What I find most amusing, and moving in a sad way, is the
universal and eternal need for people to find comfort in the idea
that someone is in charge. It could be the illuminati, the
"puppet masters," the new world order, or any of a series of
divinities, but the motivation is the same: to escape the
messiness of human life by positing a transcendent, or at least
very powerful, logic or order in the world, an order that is hidden
to all but the enlightened few (who are, sadly, the most
deluded).
Allow me to quote a philosopher that I heard recently, but this
time, editorialize him with regard to "nonlinear dynamics". I
may only be a sanitation engineer, but I smell something fishy...(I
have replaced certain nomenclature for humorous purposes)
"I find most amusing, and moving in a sad way, is the universal and
eternal need for people to find comfort in the idea that
(everything is in chaos and truth is relative). It could be
the (atheistic academic community), the ("non-religious
materialists"), the ("market forces" which are completely rational
and consistent), or any of a series of (scientists and prosperity
gurus), but the motivation is the same: to escape the
messiness of human life by positing a (relativistic), or at least
very (chaotic), logic (oxymoron here) or (non) order in the world,
a (chaos) that is hidden to all but the enlightened few (who are,
sadly, the most deluded)."
Nonlinear dynamics isn't about chaos in the usual sense of the
word. It's a about all kinds of order hidden in what appears
to be random.
And, btw, people don't usually try to escape from the messiness
of life though recourse to relativism. They usually find
comfort in some eternal, metaphysical truth (political ideology,
religion, Platonism, etc.).
But my point is that nonlinear dynamics is neither randomness
nor determinism. It is, like life, the delicate and beautiful
intersection of the two.
But your previous piece was simply denigration of all sorts of
straw men...which is suspicious since you appear to want to have an
intellectual veneer.
Traditional metaphysics, e.g. Thomism and Aristotelian, are not
ideologies where "people find comfort...", they are rigorous
examinations of the nature of reality from which flow equally
rigorous moral and ethical truths. It is these truths that
people usually try to find a haven from in relativism, from which
flows hedonism and materialism and all the modern variations of
"scientism".
Thomas and Aristotle, and many of their commentators, including
Augustines' commentaries on Plato, are the foundations of a once
great Western civilization. They were peerless scholars and
men of genius who cannot be denigrated by us moderns without
ignorance and hubris.
Posted by lessarda on 17th of Apr 2011 at 09:36 pm
Following the great conversation among the poets, philosophers
and theologians from the ancients through to the moderns is the
essence of liberal education -- something only a few schools do any
more.
Yes, it would be great if we could reinstitute "great books"
courses that were required of all students, in both high school and
college. But, we seem to be moving in the direction of
McCollege. Perhaps that's the price of democracy.
Perhaps the price of a free market system. I don't
know. But I do know that it makes me sad that in many circles
to be called an "intellectual" is an insult. Can you imagine
what Plato, Aquinas, Nietzsche, etc. would have thought of a
culture that sees the cultivation of the mind as a negative
thing.
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Are we all a part of the bigger problem?
Posted by spoulson on 15th of Apr 2011 at 05:03 pm
Zach: the problem with the world is the growing hatred between people that don't share the same views (Democrat/Republican, Christian/Muslim, legals/illegals, Suni/Shiite, and on and on and on). It makes me sick to see the hatred that has grown the past 20 years or so. People like Hannity (and it sounds like you too) don't realize the harm they do with seeming cute little know-it-all jabs. Anger is just a reaction to things not going according to your personal rules. Everyone has their own rules. Think about that. BTW, I'm not an Obama fan; most of my views are Libertarian. I believe the founding fathers would be ashamed of what we've become.
Yes they would
Posted by zach06 on 16th of Apr 2011 at 05:01 pm
The choice is between Treason and Incompetence. BTW... I'm good at throwing muck at both parties... The only difference is that it is almost impossible to get a third party going... so your better off trying to reform the party of incompetence than deal with the party that is beyond repair and bears any resemblance of what our founder wanted.
spoulson
Posted by jtverr on 16th of Apr 2011 at 08:39 am
So well stated. Anything that divides Americans (Republicans and Democrats are a great example) just work to keep the people holding us down (banks and Wall street---war mongers, etc) in power. Divide and conquer-classic.
I challenge anyone to show me the difference between Bush and Obama...
Well said. It's interesting, If
Posted by macksurf on 16th of Apr 2011 at 06:32 am
Well said. It's interesting, If everyone were able to dissolve some of their ego away they would all be better traders. Several years ago I started working on letting go of my ego(it's very hard). I used to stress out over investing and I mostly lost money. Then a few years ago I noticed that trading had become significantly less stressful and I was making alot more money. It's a win win way of life for you and everyone! Start by turning off that damn television(especially cnbc) and go see Atlas Shrugged!
I could not have said
Posted by carpru on 15th of Apr 2011 at 07:20 pm
I could not have said it any better and I totally agree with you!
What amuses me the most
Posted by john9o9 on 16th of Apr 2011 at 08:12 am
What amuses me the most is watching the left and right duke it out while the puppet masters sit back and soak up all the riches! The best is for the most part the masses don't have a clue what is going on nor do they have a hint who the people that pull the strings really are!
What I find most amusing,
Posted by algyros on 16th of Apr 2011 at 09:51 am
What I find most amusing, and moving in a sad way, is the universal and eternal need for people to find comfort in the idea that someone is in charge. It could be the illuminati, the "puppet masters," the new world order, or any of a series of divinities, but the motivation is the same: to escape the messiness of human life by positing a transcendent, or at least very powerful, logic or order in the world, an order that is hidden to all but the enlightened few (who are, sadly, the most deluded).
You sound pretty enlightened as
Posted by sanrafael on 16th of Apr 2011 at 11:13 am
You sound pretty enlightened as well!
Order or chaos or perhaps
Posted by john9o9 on 16th of Apr 2011 at 10:09 am
Order or chaos or perhaps a blend of the two??
Chaos in the modern sense
Posted by algyros on 16th of Apr 2011 at 02:39 pm
Chaos in the modern sense of nonlinear dynamics.
Algyros
Posted by sanrafael on 16th of Apr 2011 at 03:00 pm
Allow me to quote a philosopher that I heard recently, but this time, editorialize him with regard to "nonlinear dynamics". I may only be a sanitation engineer, but I smell something fishy...(I have replaced certain nomenclature for humorous purposes)
"I find most amusing, and moving in a sad way, is the universal and eternal need for people to find comfort in the idea that (everything is in chaos and truth is relative). It could be the (atheistic academic community), the ("non-religious materialists"), the ("market forces" which are completely rational and consistent), or any of a series of (scientists and prosperity gurus), but the motivation is the same: to escape the messiness of human life by positing a (relativistic), or at least very (chaotic), logic (oxymoron here) or (non) order in the world, a (chaos) that is hidden to all but the enlightened few (who are, sadly, the most deluded)."
If the shoe fits, you're already wearing it.
Nonlinear dynamics isn't about chaos
Posted by algyros on 16th of Apr 2011 at 03:11 pm
Nonlinear dynamics isn't about chaos in the usual sense of the word. It's a about all kinds of order hidden in what appears to be random.
And, btw, people don't usually try to escape from the messiness of life though recourse to relativism. They usually find comfort in some eternal, metaphysical truth (political ideology, religion, Platonism, etc.).
But my point is that nonlinear dynamics is neither randomness nor determinism. It is, like life, the delicate and beautiful intersection of the two.
Algyros
Posted by sanrafael on 16th of Apr 2011 at 03:31 pm
But your previous piece was simply denigration of all sorts of straw men...which is suspicious since you appear to want to have an intellectual veneer.
Traditional metaphysics, e.g. Thomism and Aristotelian, are not ideologies where "people find comfort...", they are rigorous examinations of the nature of reality from which flow equally rigorous moral and ethical truths. It is these truths that people usually try to find a haven from in relativism, from which flows hedonism and materialism and all the modern variations of "scientism".
Thomas and Aristotle, and many of their commentators, including Augustines' commentaries on Plato, are the foundations of a once great Western civilization. They were peerless scholars and men of genius who cannot be denigrated by us moderns without ignorance and hubris.
Excellent, true observations, Algyros...
Posted by lessarda on 17th of Apr 2011 at 09:36 pm
Following the great conversation among the poets, philosophers and theologians from the ancients through to the moderns is the essence of liberal education -- something only a few schools do any more.
Yes, it would be great
Posted by algyros on 17th of Apr 2011 at 09:48 pm
Yes, it would be great if we could reinstitute "great books" courses that were required of all students, in both high school and college. But, we seem to be moving in the direction of McCollege. Perhaps that's the price of democracy. Perhaps the price of a free market system. I don't know. But I do know that it makes me sad that in many circles to be called an "intellectual" is an insult. Can you imagine what Plato, Aquinas, Nietzsche, etc. would have thought of a culture that sees the cultivation of the mind as a negative thing.