I bought crme at 8.2 and put my stop loss a 8. The stock went up
to 8.64 and I put a sell order only to find out I don't own it.
Apparently if someone puts in a bid for a lower price then the
price of the stock your stop loss can be triggered and sold.
Someone pleasssseee tell me what is the point of the stop loss
function
Posted by lcstrickland on 15th of Jul 2010 at 10:52 am
DON"T use stop loss
orders!!! You can use a stop order CONTINGENT on
certain conditions being met and the market makers can't see your
sell price. They can see all other sell and buy orders and will
stop you out every chance they get~~~if you are going to use stop
orders...ONLY use contingent orders!!
but as I said below, unless its a thin stock, what difference
does it make if they see your stop order or not -- if its at a
logical level there will be lots of stops clustered there and
you'll get taken out anyway. Or am I missing something?
I learned this the hard way also. Here's what I think happens -
"stop" orders are visible on certain trading screen levels so your
stop order can be targeted by vampire Brokers/Traders who
specialize in this blood sucking crap. I've seen examples where
stops are hit as much as 10% below the last price. It usually
happens to low priced / thin volume stocks that can be manipulated
easily. Take a look at some of the small junior gold stocks after
the close - the bid and ask spreads are as much as 10% on either
side of the closing price. How do you place a close stop? Who sets
those and why? I assume it is to catch any market orders or maybe
stop orders that are placed by traders who haven't been burned yet.
You would think that the SEC would gut these slimey shills.....oh,
I forgot - the SEC staff is made up of the very best slimey vampire
broker bastards. So, sometimes stops can work against you on small
stocks. It may be worth a call to your broker to have them take a
look at the price action that took you out - they may have some
suggestions to help.
Posted by hurricanemalta on 15th of Jul 2010 at 01:04 am
If NO capital you can't make profits to protect...lol!
Stops will save your account from total destruction
often...think of recent BP action to the downside and imagine if
you were in it when it collapsed.Big losses are hard to comeback
from so protect your capital.Matt and Steve say take half
profits etc because they know you can slowly build up an
account and home runs are rare just like on the downside you can
take small losses but single big losses are account
destroying.
Use stops and you will live to fight another day !
Stop loss uslessss
Posted by abraham on 14th of Jul 2010 at 11:41 pm
I bought crme at 8.2 and put my stop loss a 8. The stock went up to 8.64 and I put a sell order only to find out I don't own it. Apparently if someone puts in a bid for a lower price then the price of the stock your stop loss can be triggered and sold. Someone pleasssseee tell me what is the point of the stop loss function
stop loss orders
Posted by lcstrickland on 15th of Jul 2010 at 10:52 am
DON"T use stop loss orders!!! You can use a stop order CONTINGENT on certain conditions being met and the market makers can't see your sell price. They can see all other sell and buy orders and will stop you out every chance they get~~~if you are going to use stop orders...ONLY use contingent orders!!
but as I said below,
Posted by Michael on 15th of Jul 2010 at 11:07 am
but as I said below, unless its a thin stock, what difference does it make if they see your stop order or not -- if its at a logical level there will be lots of stops clustered there and you'll get taken out anyway. Or am I missing something?
Stop Loss Bandits
Posted by evne01 on 15th of Jul 2010 at 06:08 am
I learned this the hard way also. Here's what I think happens - "stop" orders are visible on certain trading screen levels so your stop order can be targeted by vampire Brokers/Traders who specialize in this blood sucking crap. I've seen examples where stops are hit as much as 10% below the last price. It usually happens to low priced / thin volume stocks that can be manipulated easily. Take a look at some of the small junior gold stocks after the close - the bid and ask spreads are as much as 10% on either side of the closing price. How do you place a close stop? Who sets those and why? I assume it is to catch any market orders or maybe stop orders that are placed by traders who haven't been burned yet. You would think that the SEC would gut these slimey shills.....oh, I forgot - the SEC staff is made up of the very best slimey vampire broker bastards. So, sometimes stops can work against you on small stocks. It may be worth a call to your broker to have them take a look at the price action that took you out - they may have some suggestions to help.
Simple..to stop your account getting killed in a big down move.Imagine if crme went to 6 and didn't stop at 8.You would be praising your stops!Capital preservation is NUMBER ONE!!!
Posted by hurricanemalta on 15th of Jul 2010 at 01:04 am
If NO capital you can't make profits to protect...lol!
Stops will save your account from total destruction often...think of recent BP action to the downside and imagine if you were in it when it collapsed.Big losses are hard to comeback from so protect your capital.Matt and Steve say take half profits etc because they know you can slowly build up an account and home runs are rare just like on the downside you can take small losses but single big losses are account destroying.
Use stops and you will live to fight another day !
REG NMS
Posted by te22 on 15th of Jul 2010 at 08:07 am
REG NMS