it's won't be doing anything yesterday there was probably a
perfect alignment of the indicators that for a time intra day all
lined up but then went away and now can't setup again because we
are not oversold anymore - that washout trade only occurred 4 times
in history, so odds almost never favor it triggering. More than
likely it will only trigger after the market is well off the lows
after confirming an uptrend
we are in bear market best to play the reversion to mean systems
and other setups vs worrying about that daily or weekly KISS long
only going back long
FYI the daily SPX KISS trend is going back long today!
Surprised? this is a rare entry, it's the one component of the KISS
Trend system that has a reversion to mean 'washout' component to
it, it triggers on deep washouts and on a reversal candle like we
have today. So it's kind of a mix of reversion to mean and trend
because it needs a reversal candle up along with some indicators
moving up, instead of buying at lows like the reversion to
mean.
I've attached images of when this triggered in the past: Today
so far, Mar 24th 2020, Dec 26th 2018, Mar 10th 2009
DVT stop is at the low. Again depends on what the market does:
if this is only a 4th wave, then this may end up being a wash, but
if the low is something more concrete then maybe it catches a
larger trade - who knows
it was typical trend day action from morning gap to mid day,
however the pullback fell below the 50 SMA on the 5 min time frame
and 60 Stoch is slightly below 80%. usually on trend days those
hold.
that said, this afternoon watch price, it's still way above the
VWAP, and it could from some sort of coil here and then
breakout again, we'll see.
overnight on ES the low of 3560 likely put in a trade low for
now, if so then could see a move up over a few days to 3700 range,
we'll see...
yes the pullback will be very telling assuming we get one, and
price stalled at that downtrend line today. It held up very well
consider the market craping the bed,
updated view - again this works well on intra day moves that
trend for a bit - sideways move can chop you up, but it went on buy
this morning for a nice move then flipped to a sell
AU - Chart Link- gapped above the 20 day MA and
a downtrend line, and the ratio clearly broke the downtrend line so
it's outperforming relative to gold
BVN - Chart Link- one hell of a day for this
one up 10% breaking out of that bull flag pattern!
Regarding some questions about the reversion to mean systems and
stops yesterday there were some questions from new guys regarding
stops etc. I wrote this in response and I also discuss a lot of
other things such as emotion and how to think about the systems
-----------
First off the KISS trend following long only systems use stops -
i.e. the DVT's higher low stops. The Breakout system also uses
traditional hard stops and trailing stops
The 21 reversion to mean systems do not use 'INITIAL'
traditional hard stops, where you set a hard stop after you enter
the trade. An example of these type of systems to think about would
be let's say you observe that in the past 30 years when price fell
10 days in a row on the SPX, it always put in a bounce on day 11.
Well let's say that condition occurs again and you go long, but
instead of price rallying on day 12, it falls again, and now you
have a new statistical record. What you have now is an even
more statistically stretched scenario where prices are even more
prone to a reversion back to the mean bounce. You could sell and
stop out, or you can scale in more assuming that prices will
eventually revert back as you now have a statistically more
stretched scenario. Instead of hard stops, the systems
whenever they get into a bad trade, they will exit instead after an
oversold bounce, vs stopping at at the lows.
I tested using initial hard stops on these systems every which
way but Sunday and the results were always worse by using initial
hard stops rather than letting the systems exit on an oversold
bounce instead. Too often your stop would hit at -8% or -10%, 12%,
and even bottom tick where you sold the exact low. I found that if
you simply let the system exit on its own after a bounce, you might
get out with only a -1% or -2% loss or even a winner. The
long systems exit on a bounce, the short systems exit on a
pullback. The exceptions are after reversion to mean moves occur if
the systems decide to hold for longer, trailing stops may be used
or by indicators like the momo changing slope - but realize that's
after you got your reversion to mean bounce or pullback
already.
Reversion to the means systems are NOT feel good systems - they
can be counter trend trades that are buying into sharp weakness
when everything feels the worst, and they also exit or sell when
everyone else is buying and it feels the best. This really plays on
ones psychology and is hard to get used to.
I suggest strongly that anyone trading the systems first start
off with extremely small position sizes be conservative, don't
swing for the fences, because your emotions will get to you if the
systems go through what I call an 'ass pucker' trade where they go
through some good draw down and multiple entries before they
finally get a bounce (for longs) or pullback (for shorts). Do them
small until you get a handful of trades under your belt with some
profits that can 'buffer' your account and your emotions, before
you increase position size. The guys that start off and swing for
the fences with too large of a percentage of their account end up
failing if their first experience with the systems takes some draw
down and they have too much at stake.
I'm not an investment adviser and so I cannot give advice, I'm
giving you general information to consider in order to make your
own decisions.
If you really want to set hard stops - you can ask me what the
max historical drawdown was for a particular system and one idea
would be to set a stop a bit wider than the historical draw down -
realize that odds could have the max historical draw down exceeded
slightly to stop you out only to reverse and that be the new max
historical draw down where you got stopped out at the
lows.
another thing - the reversion to mean systems usually about once
or twice a year go through some of these tough trades. Most of the
time 90% it's ho hum and no big deal. When you first start to
trade the systems, you might start at a good time when you get 10
or 20 easy trades before the 'pucker' trade, or as odds have it,
you might get stuck with the pucker trade as your first
one.
$SPX - Chart Link - the new lows indicator
closing 6 consecutive bars over its upper Bollinger Bands, a new
record - did not occur in Mar 2020, nor 2008, not any of the other
major corrections.
that said realize we are in some sort of wave 3, the trending
move. Also, this consecutive trend could be broken by a one day
bounce so don't read into it that a major bottom is here or close -
short-term it's just saying things are extremely stretched and due
for at least a one day bounce any time
FXY bucked the trend even with the strong US Dollar because of
their central bank action.
that reversion to mean trade may still play out, technically it
triggered today, which I got filled on from a buy stop I had at the
high of last week's candle. I didn't even realize I was filled
until I looked this evening LOL
Here's the image of the open mean reversion system trades:
The bear long ver 1 will be taking a 1st entry at the closing
bar (bottom right) chart. Yesterday the ver 2 bear long took
a 1st entry (bottom left). Yesterday we took a 1/2 position only
long, and today I'll add the other 1/2 of that long.
Nothing new to report for the open SPY system trades. Bear long
in 1st entry and Stoch Rev short is still short from 9/13
The KISS SPX trend system in cash since Aug 26th when the DVT at
4088 was hit - second image
as I stated last night, the bear long triggered on ES Ver 2 but
NOT Ver 1, and is why I chose to do only a 1/2 position yesterday.
Ver 1 is now showing a trigger. Like I said, no reason to be
aggressive as I thought we'd get lower prices
on the SPY side, the bear long triggered that 1st entry
yesterday, we did NOT take the option trade, I could have forced it
but I also thought we'd move lower so why add that leverage.
On the Stoch Rev that is still short - that will finally exit
only when the BPT DS indicator cross up over 0.2. Currently it's at
0.9, so one up day would probably do that. Clearly that system
trade did well
KISS Trend Systems:KISS daily systems have been in cash
since 8/26/22
it didn't take any draw down from when I finally posted it,
remember I didn't see the trigger for a couple days. price gapped
down the next day and trended lower after I posted it
here.
When it actually triggered (which I missed), it took 3 points of
intra day draw down one day from intra day only NOT close
393.1 entry and 396.2. Three points out of 393, -0.76%, oh
my god the travesty LOL
as I told you guys this morning, don't get too bearish on an
OPEX day, because price usually doesn't trend all day in one
direction on those days, and that's what happened today, down big
in the morning, then based, then recovery
intra day posts will work if you post a print version of it - or
attach the image of course. You have to select print option and
Stockcharts gives you a different URL that shows for
everyone.
as far as that W patter - remember I posted a W pattern on the
SPX last Wed when it was nearing the 4000 area after that first
rally off the trendline low. That W pattern played out with a move
up to 4119, but the big difference here guys is that it's way to
early to think about that now too much. when I drew that pattern,
the W had mostly formed with 4 legs - right now you still need the
whole leg up - you only have 3 legs of the W.
how to plan for it? I don't think you need to because most
scenarios both bearish and bullish all align with each other right
now and call for a rally off this area - even the bear scenario
would call for a rally up to 4000 area or a bit higher - why
wouldn't you be long regardless - then after being long if you get
that rally up to those areas and the 4th leg of the W pattern
appears to be forming you can then decide to simply hold your long
position vs exiting - that's how you plan
FYI I sent out an email about 10 min ago - I elected to take 1/2
off on the open ES short. That's just my style - the mean reversion
occurred yesterday. image shows the QE short the version on left
has the trending condition turned on and will hold, while the one
on the right shows it turned off and thus the system exited on the
pure mean reversion. So what I'm doing is 'splitting the
difference'
it remains to be seen which strategy will make the most money:
i.e. keeping a full position until the trending version finally
exits, or selling some here. That's going to depend of course on
what the market does - if it sells off to new lows next week, then
staying in the whole position and not covering 1/2 would have been
your better option.
you go with what you think is best. I will obviously communicate
when the trending version finally exits because we will cover the
other 1/2 short whenever that version finally exits.
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it's won't be doing anything
any possible short SPY System trades setting up or is ...
Posted by matt on 4th of Oct 2022 at 04:14 pm
it's won't be doing anything yesterday there was probably a perfect alignment of the indicators that for a time intra day all lined up but then went away and now can't setup again because we are not oversold anymore - that washout trade only occurred 4 times in history, so odds almost never favor it triggering. More than likely it will only trigger after the market is well off the lows after confirming an uptrend
we are in bear market best to play the reversion to mean systems and other setups vs worrying about that daily or weekly KISS long only going back long
US Dollar testing 20 day MA as expected
Posted by matt on 4th of Oct 2022 at 09:45 am
UUP - Chart Link- I said the next target was the 20 SMA, could try and bounce some off that
TLT - Chart Link- finding resistance at downtrend line
KISS daily going back long!
Posted by matt on 3rd of Oct 2022 at 02:38 pm
FYI the daily SPX KISS trend is going back long today! Surprised? this is a rare entry, it's the one component of the KISS Trend system that has a reversion to mean 'washout' component to it, it triggers on deep washouts and on a reversal candle like we have today. So it's kind of a mix of reversion to mean and trend because it needs a reversal candle up along with some indicators moving up, instead of buying at lows like the reversion to mean.
I've attached images of when this triggered in the past: Today so far, Mar 24th 2020, Dec 26th 2018, Mar 10th 2009
DVT stop is at the low. Again depends on what the market does: if this is only a 4th wave, then this may end up being a wash, but if the low is something more concrete then maybe it catches a larger trade - who knows
it was typical trend day
matt, does it count as a trend day when the ...
Posted by matt on 3rd of Oct 2022 at 12:48 pm
it was typical trend day action from morning gap to mid day, however the pullback fell below the 50 SMA on the 5 min time frame and 60 Stoch is slightly below 80%. usually on trend days those hold.
that said, this afternoon watch price, it's still way above the VWAP, and it could from some sort of coil here and then breakout again, we'll see.
overnight on ES the low of 3560 likely put in a trade low for now, if so then could see a move up over a few days to 3700 range, we'll see...
yes the pullback will be
GDX daily
Posted by matt on 30th of Sep 2022 at 04:09 pm
yes the pullback will be very telling assuming we get one, and price stalled at that downtrend line today. It held up very well consider the market craping the bed,
updated view - again this
Trading View Heiken Ashi, BPT MA with ribbon, etc
Posted by matt on 30th of Sep 2022 at 11:46 am
updated view - again this works well on intra day moves that trend for a bit - sideways move can chop you up, but it went on buy this morning for a nice move then flipped to a sell
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/RcUtnckV/
a few standout p.m. stocks
Posted by matt on 28th of Sep 2022 at 09:58 pm
AU - Chart Link- gapped above the 20 day MA and a downtrend line, and the ratio clearly broke the downtrend line so it's outperforming relative to gold
BVN - Chart Link- one hell of a day for this one up 10% breaking out of that bull flag pattern!
CDE - Chart Link- some nice volume patterns today
IMPORTANT - read when you have time regarding the reversion to mean systems trades
Posted by matt on 28th of Sep 2022 at 12:59 pm
Regarding some questions about the reversion to mean systems and stops yesterday there were some questions from new guys regarding stops etc. I wrote this in response and I also discuss a lot of other things such as emotion and how to think about the systems
-----------
First off the KISS trend following long only systems use stops - i.e. the DVT's higher low stops. The Breakout system also uses traditional hard stops and trailing stops
The 21 reversion to mean systems do not use 'INITIAL' traditional hard stops, where you set a hard stop after you enter the trade. An example of these type of systems to think about would be let's say you observe that in the past 30 years when price fell 10 days in a row on the SPX, it always put in a bounce on day 11. Well let's say that condition occurs again and you go long, but instead of price rallying on day 12, it falls again, and now you have a new statistical record. What you have now is an even more statistically stretched scenario where prices are even more prone to a reversion back to the mean bounce. You could sell and stop out, or you can scale in more assuming that prices will eventually revert back as you now have a statistically more stretched scenario. Instead of hard stops, the systems whenever they get into a bad trade, they will exit instead after an oversold bounce, vs stopping at at the lows.
I tested using initial hard stops on these systems every which way but Sunday and the results were always worse by using initial hard stops rather than letting the systems exit on an oversold bounce instead. Too often your stop would hit at -8% or -10%, 12%, and even bottom tick where you sold the exact low. I found that if you simply let the system exit on its own after a bounce, you might get out with only a -1% or -2% loss or even a winner. The long systems exit on a bounce, the short systems exit on a pullback. The exceptions are after reversion to mean moves occur if the systems decide to hold for longer, trailing stops may be used or by indicators like the momo changing slope - but realize that's after you got your reversion to mean bounce or pullback already.
Reversion to the means systems are NOT feel good systems - they can be counter trend trades that are buying into sharp weakness when everything feels the worst, and they also exit or sell when everyone else is buying and it feels the best. This really plays on ones psychology and is hard to get used to.
I suggest strongly that anyone trading the systems first start off with extremely small position sizes be conservative, don't swing for the fences, because your emotions will get to you if the systems go through what I call an 'ass pucker' trade where they go through some good draw down and multiple entries before they finally get a bounce (for longs) or pullback (for shorts). Do them small until you get a handful of trades under your belt with some profits that can 'buffer' your account and your emotions, before you increase position size. The guys that start off and swing for the fences with too large of a percentage of their account end up failing if their first experience with the systems takes some draw down and they have too much at stake.
I'm not an investment adviser and so I cannot give advice, I'm giving you general information to consider in order to make your own decisions.
If you really want to set hard stops - you can ask me what the max historical drawdown was for a particular system and one idea would be to set a stop a bit wider than the historical draw down - realize that odds could have the max historical draw down exceeded slightly to stop you out only to reverse and that be the new max historical draw down where you got stopped out at the lows.
another thing - the reversion to mean systems usually about once or twice a year go through some of these tough trades. Most of the time 90% it's ho hum and no big deal. When you first start to trade the systems, you might start at a good time when you get 10 or 20 easy trades before the 'pucker' trade, or as odds have it, you might get stuck with the pucker trade as your first one.
SPX new highs and lows
Posted by matt on 25th of Sep 2022 at 10:42 am
$SPX - Chart Link - the new lows indicator closing 6 consecutive bars over its upper Bollinger Bands, a new record - did not occur in Mar 2020, nor 2008, not any of the other major corrections.
that said realize we are in some sort of wave 3, the trending move. Also, this consecutive trend could be broken by a one day bounce so don't read into it that a major bottom is here or close - short-term it's just saying things are extremely stretched and due for at least a one day bounce any time
FXY
Posted by matt on 23rd of Sep 2022 at 12:43 am
FXY bucked the trend even with the strong US Dollar because of their central bank action.
that reversion to mean trade may still play out, technically it triggered today, which I got filled on from a buy stop I had at the high of last week's candle. I didn't even realize I was filled until I looked this evening LOL
Systems Trades Bear long Ver 1 will be taking a 1st entry
Posted by matt on 22nd of Sep 2022 at 04:48 pm
Here's the image of the open mean reversion system trades:
The bear long ver 1 will be taking a 1st entry at the closing bar (bottom right) chart. Yesterday the ver 2 bear long took a 1st entry (bottom left). Yesterday we took a 1/2 position only long, and today I'll add the other 1/2 of that long.
Nothing new to report for the open SPY system trades. Bear long in 1st entry and Stoch Rev short is still short from 9/13
The KISS SPX trend system in cash since Aug 26th when the DVT at 4088 was hit - second image
systems update:
Posted by matt on 22nd of Sep 2022 at 11:25 am
as I stated last night, the bear long triggered on ES Ver 2 but NOT Ver 1, and is why I chose to do only a 1/2 position yesterday. Ver 1 is now showing a trigger. Like I said, no reason to be aggressive as I thought we'd get lower prices
on the SPY side, the bear long triggered that 1st entry yesterday, we did NOT take the option trade, I could have forced it but I also thought we'd move lower so why add that leverage.
On the Stoch Rev that is still short - that will finally exit only when the BPT DS indicator cross up over 0.2. Currently it's at 0.9, so one up day would probably do that. Clearly that system trade did well
KISS Trend Systems:KISS daily systems have been in cash since 8/26/22
it didn't take any draw
Tech strongest of all the sectors now.
Posted by matt on 20th of Sep 2022 at 10:48 am
it didn't take any draw down from when I finally posted it, remember I didn't see the trigger for a couple days. price gapped down the next day and trended lower after I posted it here.
When it actually triggered (which I missed), it took 3 points of intra day draw down one day from intra day only NOT close
393.1 entry and 396.2. Three points out of 393, -0.76%, oh my god the travesty LOL
pm stocks looking interesting again
Posted by matt on 19th of Sep 2022 at 04:12 pm
GDX - Chart Link- notice the GDX/GLD ratio found support on the trendline last week and bounced off
BVN - Chart Link- this one never looked bad - was nice out of that low, and all it did was flag out
BTG - Chart Link- this one had strong relative strength, rallied today
IAG - Chart Link- price retested that wedge trendline
after big trend days the
SPX ... Nice Friday Afternoon paint job her to save ...
Posted by matt on 16th of Sep 2022 at 05:51 pm
after big trend days the following day is generally a choppy consolidation day
as I told you guys
SPX ... Nice Friday Afternoon paint job her to save ...
Posted by matt on 16th of Sep 2022 at 04:23 pm
as I told you guys this morning, don't get too bearish on an OPEX day, because price usually doesn't trend all day in one direction on those days, and that's what happened today, down big in the morning, then based, then recovery
on this quick market pop,
SPX 5 min coiled up
Posted by matt on 16th of Sep 2022 at 02:36 pm
on this quick market pop, the long trigger on the ES bear long went away So FYI - will depend how ES looks later in the day
and as I said this morning with OPEX, I did not expect the market to just trend down all day
intra day posts will work
SPX 15
Posted by matt on 15th of Sep 2022 at 09:54 am
intra day posts will work if you post a print version of it - or attach the image of course. You have to select print option and Stockcharts gives you a different URL that shows for everyone.
as far as that W patter - remember I posted a W pattern on the SPX last Wed when it was nearing the 4000 area after that first rally off the trendline low. That W pattern played out with a move up to 4119, but the big difference here guys is that it's way to early to think about that now too much. when I drew that pattern, the W had mostly formed with 4 legs - right now you still need the whole leg up - you only have 3 legs of the W.
how to plan for it? I don't think you need to because most scenarios both bearish and bullish all align with each other right now and call for a rally off this area - even the bear scenario would call for a rally up to 4000 area or a bit higher - why wouldn't you be long regardless - then after being long if you get that rally up to those areas and the 4th leg of the W pattern appears to be forming you can then decide to simply hold your long position vs exiting - that's how you plan
remember OPEX tomorrow guys -
SPX I see 5 small waves down on SPX from ...
Posted by matt on 14th of Sep 2022 at 04:01 pm
remember OPEX tomorrow guys - likely a lot of gyrations but probably not some big trend day in one direction.
to me it's next week where the market will make its real decision.
FYI I sent out an
SPX I see 5 small waves down on SPX from ...
Posted by matt on 14th of Sep 2022 at 03:48 pm
FYI I sent out an email about 10 min ago - I elected to take 1/2 off on the open ES short. That's just my style - the mean reversion occurred yesterday. image shows the QE short the version on left has the trending condition turned on and will hold, while the one on the right shows it turned off and thus the system exited on the pure mean reversion. So what I'm doing is 'splitting the difference'
it remains to be seen which strategy will make the most money: i.e. keeping a full position until the trending version finally exits, or selling some here. That's going to depend of course on what the market does - if it sells off to new lows next week, then staying in the whole position and not covering 1/2 would have been your better option.
you go with what you think is best. I will obviously communicate when the trending version finally exits because we will cover the other 1/2 short whenever that version finally exits.