Title: The Deflation Scare Everything on

    Posted by ravun on 24th of Jun 2009 at 03:44 pm
    Title: The Deflation Scare

    For those not schooled in

    Posted by PA on 24th of Jun 2009 at 04:16 pm

    For those not schooled in how to win arguments, the beginning point is in figuring out how to Framethe argument, so that the conclusions seem inescapably correct.

     

    This author (it was unsigned; no disrespect intended) begins with the premise that all deflationists agree with Prechter. This is incorrect. He then goes on to say the Fed can inflate at will (true) and that this is always  the antidote to deflation (untrue). He also says all money data proves him correct - really? Then why has the M1 Multiplier been dropping steadily since the late 1980's, and plunging lately? He doesn't mention the "pushing on a string" phenomenon, because that is where his argument falls down. In fact all reflation efforts since 2000 have failed, as shown by looking at the S&P or other indexes priced in terms of other currencies, i.e. the Euro or gold. They want you to think deflation is no problem because they can't do anything about it.Look at Japan, it's been caught in deflation since 1990!

    Your point on Japan

    Posted by ravun on 24th of Jun 2009 at 04:32 pm

    is valid, I myself have in the past highlighted that.

    The whole article is actually aimed at stagflation and neither inflation or deflation, I just highlighted bits for my arguement with Dodger...which has been going on behind the scenes. So USA beats Spain 2-0

    fwiw

    Posted by ravun on 24th of Jun 2009 at 04:36 pm

    "The third important point is that economic slowdowns usually trigger massive reflationary responses from the Fed that reignite inflation. Such was the response in 1958, then again in 1970 (not described here), in 1974, 1980, 2001, and currently in 2007-2008. Anytime the Fed has responded by massively reflating the economy, the typical result has been stagflation."

    Lets go there again

    Posted by ravun on 24th of Jun 2009 at 04:26 pm
    Title: Recommended links on Hyperinflation and the German Economy 1919 –1923

    There are big differences between

    Posted by PA on 24th of Jun 2009 at 04:34 pm

    There are big differences between then and now. One major difference is that there was very little in the way of household debt, and no real bond market back then. Completely different from now, where the total size of derivatives in equal to 10 years worth of GLOBAL GDP. And that doesn't include credit cards, Commercial real estate, defaulting mortgages, etc.

     

     

    IMO we'll get inflation after we finish off the deflation and deleveraging.

    Yup,If Matt and Steve's scenario

    Posted by shamutooth on 24th of Jun 2009 at 04:42 pm

    Yup,If Matt and Steve's scenario plays out with a crushing move down this fall I don't think anyone will be able to say it's inflationary.

    Just be warned

    Posted by ravun on 24th of Jun 2009 at 04:49 pm

    down the line....now I am off the subject, work to be done

    Ravun,I agree. At some point

    Posted by shamutooth on 24th of Jun 2009 at 05:05 pm

    Ravun,I agree. At some point there will be inflation,but maybe not just yet.

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