well yes on TSLA the delivery is the big question, I mean even if you placed the order last week on Thur when they released it, I think the earliest for those folks is summer 2017, keep in mind that TSLA expected about 150K max orders and ended up getting 300K, so how long will it take if you ordered now?  early 2018? it's a cool car, but that's a long time for me to wait, by then I might want something else who knows.  

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