Market scenarios

    Posted by matt on 11th of Jun 2012 at 02:35 pm

    $SPX - Chart Link - Here's the market scenarios on a daily chart, I've shown them on 30 and 60 min charts and a daily chart.  Personally I put the scenario in green as the least likely, the scenario in black where the market enters a much stronger downtrend or bear market as the 2nd least likely, with my favored scenarios in Blue and Red.  I'd probably give the one in Red with a slight new low made the most probability, it would also server to screw the most # of bears as they would believe the next major bear market is starting.

    Personally I think we'll get an OK end of year rally, but it's 2013 when I think the shit will hit the fan.  Long term of course my thoughts have not wavered since 2000.  The market entered a secular bear market in 2000, it's now 12 years into this secular bear.  Secular markets tend to last 16 - 19 years on average, therefore it's too early for this one to be over.  Secular bull markets tend to increase 10 fold or more from start to finish, while secular bear markets tend to end where they began i.e. years and years of up and down.  Secular markets contain cyclical bull and bear markets inside them, 2000 - 2003 cyclical bear, 2003 - 2007 cyclical bull, 2000 - Mar 09 cyclical bear, Mar 09 - Present cyclical bull?  The point is, we should at least have another cyclical bear inside the longer term secular bear since we are only 12 years into this one.

    History of secular markets:

    2000 - Present - secular bear, in progress

    1982 - 2000 - secular bull, 18 years

    1966 - 1982 - secular bear, 16 years, stated at 1000 in 1966 - ended at 1000 in 1982, 16 years of nowhere

    1948 - 1966 - secular bull, 18 years

    1929 - 1948 - secular bear, 19 years

    1920 - 1929 - secular bull, the shortest secular market

    1905 - 1920 - secular bear

    In past bear mkts wind

    Posted by freddy123321 on 11th of Jun 2012 at 03:21 pm

    In past bear mkts wind was still at our backs.

    Market Scenarios

    Posted by ronjuan on 11th of Jun 2012 at 02:45 pm

    One thing that no one has offered as fuel for a rally is the fact that there is an election coming in Nov. which has got to have some bearing on the direction of the market.  Obama is going to want to see some kind of rally for him to benefit from.  What does history say about election years and market rallies?

    A stronger dollar

    Posted by morton13 on 11th of Jun 2012 at 03:28 pm

    is what Obama wants to drive down the cost of fuel and to get re-elected.  he knows people vote with their wallets, my guess is he doesnt care about the stock market at all.

    ROMNEY RALLY

    Posted by kevin currie on 11th of Jun 2012 at 03:03 pm
    Title: That is all I have heard....anyone else???

    Matt, thanks for the history lesson...

    Posted by morton13 on 11th of Jun 2012 at 03:15 pm

    looks like we have not made much progress from 2000 and are down slightly (or maybe even with dividends)!  I 'm concerned the demographics in the US will make stiff headwinds going forward for the bulls.  A lot of the boomers who are retiring and there are a ton, want income and cannot afford to lose any more money.   Great time to be in the medical field with all those boomers!  Housing market is a bust and will be for a long time....boomers moving into retirement communities/villas and the younger generation doesnt want to own a home...give them a recliner, a tv, computer, iPhone and they are happy. Smile  my friend just told me his wife got her first iPad and he's now an iPad widow....lol

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