IRA and 3 day buy/sell rule

    Posted by matt on 5th of May 2011 at 10:40 am

    Someone made the comment the other day about his retirement account and the 3 day settlement rule, where it takes 3 days for funds to settle after you sell, therefore you have to wait for 3 days before you can utilize that cash.

    Yes that's true but it should not be a problem UNLESS you are putting more then 50% or 100% of your money into a trade, which you should NOT be doing.  If you are using proper money management and placing at least less then 50% of your account into a trade, then you will have funds available for a new trade right away vs waiting for 3 days, even if you had to sell right away (like yesterday).

    Again I only see this problem if you are placing the majority of your account or 100% of your account into one trade, which you should not be doing anyway

    3 day rule a problem more often than you'd think

    Posted by lynmarie on 5th of May 2011 at 04:18 pm

    For instance, if you have the bulk of your account tied up in long term investments and you put the remaining cash into a day trade, you can't make another purchase for three days.  I never put more than 10% of my account into a trade, but I've run up against the restriction several times.  It prevents me from making quick trades during market inflection points for fear of not having available cash when the market finally chooses a direction.

    3 day rule

    Posted by carpru on 5th of May 2011 at 05:03 pm

    Think or Swim will let

    Posted by onefourdroopy on 5th of May 2011 at 11:47 am

    Think or Swim will let you day trade all you want in a IRA account if you make all the trades in the same day, but if you hold a trade overnight then its one business day, then you can trade again.Its a IRA margin account they call it. I left Etrade over the 3 day rule. Check it out

    IB will let you trade

    Posted by Michael on 5th of May 2011 at 09:29 pm

    IB will let you trade futures in an IRA.

    Reg T violations and the 3 day rule

    Posted by perthx on 5th of May 2011 at 11:05 am

    Matt said it best, if using 50% should be no problem.

    But If you sell on a Monday it settles on Thursday, you can use that cash immediately to buy something during that 3 day period....you just can't then sell the new purchase until the original 3 day period is up Thursday in my example. etc etc.

    So Called 72 hour settlement period

    Posted by dougmil on 5th of May 2011 at 12:13 pm

    But If you sell on a Monday it settles on Thursday".....

    If I sell on Monday, I will buy at the close on Wednesday. When I do I get a message that I am buying with unsettled funds, but I don't care because they will settle overnight and be settled at Thursday's open, so that I can sell if need be. So in a way, it is not 72 hours but two full trading days plus what is left after I sold on Monday. I don't see the need to actually wait until Thursday. However, buying before settlement I would only do in the last 5 minutes of a trading day because some big moves can happen at the close and once I buy, I am holding overnight.


    Doug Milliken

    possible restriction

    Posted by rgaiti on 5th of May 2011 at 02:39 pm

    some brokerage houses (eg Merrill) may restrict your account if you buy with unsettled fund too often (3x in 90 dyas) be aware

    They MUST restrict

    Posted by perthx on 5th of May 2011 at 02:43 pm

    if you have a certain number of reg T violations...if not, then you can be on easy street. If they try to restrict you without you pulling violations (they never have with me) then time to change brokers.

    trade date + 3 days

    Posted by rslph on 5th of May 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Your funds are settled overnight Wed - Thurs and are clear on Thurs.

     

    Ralph

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