How True

    Posted by steve on 9th of Dec 2009 at 12:16 am

      "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually, you will run out of other people's money."

    -Margaret Thatcher

    Title: Permit me to issue and control the money of the nation and I care not who makes its laws. Mayer Amsched Rothchild

    Yes mac and now they

    Posted by dylan398 on 9th of Dec 2009 at 10:36 am

    Yes mac and now they have used up as much "capitalism" in the US as possible and are moving onto the next new form of "capitalism" in China.....high value labor and will leave the US citizens and their children with debts that will never be repaid and a worthless currency..

    you got it dylan - so why keep using these rediculous terms

    Posted by macnsc on 9th of Dec 2009 at 10:43 am

    of "socialism" and "capitalism" when these fake dualities are just used as propaganda to control the American People and keep them in debt and wage slavery?

    There's another Thatcher quote

    Posted by stockman14 on 9th of Dec 2009 at 08:50 am

    There's another Thatcher quote 

    "If your only opportunity is to be equal, then it is not opportunity."

    I thought this an excellent insight.  How socialism does slander achievement with talk of "equality"...

    steve -- since you bring

    Posted by Michael on 9th of Dec 2009 at 08:20 am

    steve -- since you bring it up -- I don't know -- compared to many western socialist countries we have extremely high health care costs, embarrassingly high infant mortality, high percentage of population suffering hunger, decaying infrastructure.............

    That's my point - the

    Posted by steve on 9th of Dec 2009 at 09:03 am

    That's my point - the US has been gradually moving towards socialism. 

    Michael

    Posted by isplat on 9th of Dec 2009 at 08:55 am

    I agree, although I cannot help having a good chuckle every time I hear one of my American friends referring to "Socialist" countries, meaning pretty much all of Western Europe. You won't find anyone in Germany, for example, where I currently live, saying that they live in a "socialist" system. The late, unlamented German "Democratic" Republic was a socialist state. We have a free market economy with certain strong social welfare aspects. The opposition Social Democratic Party is not the political home of German socialists - they belong to the Left Party. We didn't nationalise our car manufacturers or major banks in the course of this financial crisis. Believe me, this system is also far from perfect, but the US has shown over many decades that its system isn't the answer either.

    I do find the differing definitions of the term "socialism" intriguing, though! Wink

    socialism

    Posted by dallassteve on 9th of Dec 2009 at 09:49 am

    You are right that many Americans use the word "socialism" loosely to indicate more government control.  This trend has been continuous since the founding of this country, and certainly since FDR.  Just as we watch trendlines on stocks, I wonder if we can break this trendline.

    On a more intellectual level, I think a better definition of socialism is the application of Marxist thought to government.  Anyone who thought Marxism was dead after the fall of the Berlin wall and the demise of the Soviet Union is having a rude wake-up call.  I am continually amazed at the U.S. politicians, cabinet officials, czars, etc, giving honor to Marxist ideas.  I run a small business, and I am wondering if our government still believes in "free enterprise."

    According to the Legatum Prosperity

    Posted by algyros on 9th of Dec 2009 at 06:09 am

    According to the Legatum Prosperity Index (http://www.prosperity.com/rankings.aspx), the 8 most prosperous countries in the world certainly lean toward socialism.  All have socialized medicine, education, etc.  The US is #9.

    But, shouldn't this thread by in OT?

    No problem there - just

    Posted by steveh on 9th of Dec 2009 at 04:31 am

    No problem there - just print some more.

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