I'm going to be adding a bunch of optimized daily KISS HP
systems and reduce a lot of the fast intra day time frames.
The reason is many fold
1. For one, while I can generally get higher totals out of
faster time frames, there's a lot more whipsaws and lower winning
percentage, and on things like Silver or GDX as an example the
bounces have been large enough since late January to cause those
systems to go long then stop out several times. Again, they will
work themselves out and after a few whipsaws catch a big trend
move, but still nice to try and limit those. Folks get
emotional as well if there are 3 or 4 losers in a row, even though
stats work out if you just continue to take the trades as you will
catch a trend move. Better to have systems with around 70% winning
trades or higher when possible. Trend following systems are never
gonna have 90% winners like mean reversion systems of
course.
2. Maintenance: The HP KISS systems use custom settings and some
back testing. I'm not scared of using back tested systems
like a lot of folks, it has to be done intelligently by monitoring
the profit curves and once in a while re optimizing. I've
automated systems like this for years with my own money, but you
have to keep up on it. The shorter time frames needs to be
updated more often and when I have 40 of them it's too much for me
to keep up on, with me running the whole website, newsletters etc,
and having a family and kids and part of a life LOL The daily
systems will be less maintenance.
3. Easier to trade and less cost for me: Right now we have
100's of text messages going out per day, costs me around $1000 a
month in text messages, that will be reduced greatly. Also easier
for you guys to trade as well since systems are end of day or next
day open
I will keep some intra day fast systems of course, however what
I can do is have a few of them on hot sectors or stocks and target
them, vs having 40 of them, that is difficult to maintain. So
I'm not going to eliminate them all, but instead less is more, have
a few of them that we can use on targeted hot sectors.
here's a couple examples: GDX and SLV KISS. going to
finish up IAU or GLD today. We already have SPY and QQQ
daily, though I may retest them as well for shits and giggles.
I've learned a few things and have tightened up settings as well
allowing the daily systems to get pretty damn good stats.
also with the daily systems we could start to implement those
R2M KISS mean reversion systems as well (like I show with SPY and
QQQ)
I think this is a great idea afterall KISS stands for Keep It
Simple Stupid doesn't it? I have attempted to trade in so many
different ways over the years and always come back to the simple
systems. I find otherwise I have to look up and find the rules to
other systems and try to keep it all straight when watching the
market. I absolutely don't know how Matt and his team keep up with
all these systems!
I like the larger ETFs and thier leveraged versions and find
that's pretty much all I need. I got so tired of watching the
market go up and all the while having a major holding (individual
stock) that succumbs to some news story and stays flat or moves
down.
I used to trade all the Rev to Mean systems but now cherry pick
the ones with percent profitable above 90% and high profit factors.
I put more money in these trades to make up for not taking the
lower percentage trades.
In the vein of keeping it simple, I would love to have the Rev
to Mean trades within the major systems like SPY and QQQ daily and
have them emailed out similar to the Rev to Mean systems are. I
appreciate that Matt puts these on the blog when they are showing
up but sometimes don't get a chance to check the blog.
Throughout all my time trading, I have often thought about how
hard it is to not take that short term profit but stay with the
trend like the KISS systems. It would be great to take advantage of
the short term stair stepping within a larger move and help me stay
in the larger trade while enjoying an occasional Rev2Mean
bonus.
Thanks for continually trying to improve things Matt.
Matt - Please do not remove HP UPRO 130. If you want to
try to enhance it even further - that's fine, but don't remove it
while working on it. Other shorter timeframes I'm fine with
removal - too much noise and less winning trades for no real
benefit in gains.
you have heard of Murphy's Law, some of those I removed shorter
time frames after a bunch of chop all caught great entries, but is
what it is, what matters is going forward and what I can
manage
While we are on the subject, I actually like the shorter time
frames because while they might not have the best trade success %,
they can get you in a lot earlier in a major trend. I believe the
whole objective of the HP STS systems is to simply get you in a
major trend or two each year which is really all you need. Think of
the movie Rounders -- "You grind it out. Your goal is to earn one
big hand/trade a round/quarter/year, that's it. Get your money in
when you have the best of it and protect it when you don't" For me,
I focus on the UPRO systems. While the 130 system has a phenomenal
success rate, the 30 and 60 systems get much better prices. Just
look at the current systems. The 30 got in at 135.82, the 60 at
136.78, but the 130 at 146.40 where some might be looking to lock
in some gains and Matt is saying we are short-term overbought. So I
just take 1/2 at the 30 and the other half at the 60 to help
mitigate risk from the whipsaws from the shorter time frames. The
other system I really like is GDXU 30 -- not for the faint of
heart, but you can improve performance there greatly by listening
to Matt's commentary each night and throughout the day on GDX. The
same can be said on anything else. So as far as the other systems
go, I just look for bases in the newsletter/community and take them
on breakouts. Like today SLV broke out and the SLV 130 triggered.
So I bought a 1/2 position there and am hoping for a successful
backtest of the breakout to add the other half. If it keeps going
higher from here, I guess I just make money on what I have. Other
systems that perform the best are NVDA 30, PLTR 30 and WGMI 78. You
could just blindly trade those and do well over time. But I find
it's best to take the systems in tandem with setups featured in the
newsletters/community.
Posted by bptjboxman1 on 27th of Jun 2026 at 07:06 pm
I've been curious how others are trading the KISS systems in
general; I signed up a year ago, but then didn't really take any
trades. Which is amusing, because I used to invest what was for me
a considerable sum monthly at whatever the market price was on two
securities on Investment Quality Trends undervalue list, no charts,
no thoughts, just a market buy order. And no stops. (You can
imagine how that eventually played out.)
I'm considering designing a trade plan where I take trades from
this system based on industry leadership and rotation, with a risk
sizing based on the STS stop, 100 bps up to 5%, 50 bp for 8%, and
25 bp for STS initial stop greater than 8%. And do this for up to 8
positions at a time, and hold until the system goes flat. Last time
I tried running the full list of KISS names into Market Surge,
filtering based on some financials, then going back and favoriting
those, but that was hackish and complicated to manage.
I'm very curious what others are doing, though. I find it
surprising that I could just buy and hold so blindly, but for KISS
I somehow decided to have some opinion about the entries other than
just taking them. Maybe if I could see the overall max DD, win %,
and equity curves for the system so I can compare that to whatever
I think my risk tolerance is; Is there a Monte Carlo simulation of
1,000s of universes of this playing out at the trade or portfolio
level?
one of the parameters I use for buy signals make sure the
stochastics are under 25 ........and when the systems are
flat i sell based on the stochastics greater than 75% i have other
rules that i use besides stochastics
Matt, really appreciate your constantly trying to make this a
better experience. I'll admit I've gotten some of the stops
confused on the HP and daily ETFs when following the same symbol
just due to not being able to focus during the trading
day.
I love the idea of reducing the number and tweaking for high
performance. Posting the stats on the systems in use is extremely
helpful to me as I prefer the high percentage and high profit
factor trades. It's just easier to hang with it mentally for
me.
Lastly, posting and sending out the R2M trades within the KISS
daily longs would be the whole picture for me. Being long SPY, QQQ
or leveraged versions during uptrends and being able to play around
with the pullbacks is exciting.
thanks so much for the feedback and yes I'm always tinkering,
always brainstorming and thinking, And yes for me personally I
really like the KISS R2M trades, I can run them on any time frame,
but I think they make a lot of sense on the daily, so this might
enable us to expand on those as well
Currently I have GDX, IAU Gold, and SLV done. I'll be
doing 3 to 5 a week and replacing stuff there
KISS HP systems working on replacing most with daily
Posted by matt on 26th of Jun 2026 at 09:48 am
I'm going to be adding a bunch of optimized daily KISS HP systems and reduce a lot of the fast intra day time frames. The reason is many fold
1. For one, while I can generally get higher totals out of faster time frames, there's a lot more whipsaws and lower winning percentage, and on things like Silver or GDX as an example the bounces have been large enough since late January to cause those systems to go long then stop out several times. Again, they will work themselves out and after a few whipsaws catch a big trend move, but still nice to try and limit those. Folks get emotional as well if there are 3 or 4 losers in a row, even though stats work out if you just continue to take the trades as you will catch a trend move. Better to have systems with around 70% winning trades or higher when possible. Trend following systems are never gonna have 90% winners like mean reversion systems of course.
2. Maintenance: The HP KISS systems use custom settings and some back testing. I'm not scared of using back tested systems like a lot of folks, it has to be done intelligently by monitoring the profit curves and once in a while re optimizing. I've automated systems like this for years with my own money, but you have to keep up on it. The shorter time frames needs to be updated more often and when I have 40 of them it's too much for me to keep up on, with me running the whole website, newsletters etc, and having a family and kids and part of a life LOL The daily systems will be less maintenance.
3. Easier to trade and less cost for me: Right now we have 100's of text messages going out per day, costs me around $1000 a month in text messages, that will be reduced greatly. Also easier for you guys to trade as well since systems are end of day or next day open
I will keep some intra day fast systems of course, however what I can do is have a few of them on hot sectors or stocks and target them, vs having 40 of them, that is difficult to maintain. So I'm not going to eliminate them all, but instead less is more, have a few of them that we can use on targeted hot sectors.
here's a couple examples: GDX and SLV KISS. going to finish up IAU or GLD today. We already have SPY and QQQ daily, though I may retest them as well for shits and giggles.
I've learned a few things and have tightened up settings as well allowing the daily systems to get pretty damn good stats.
also with the daily systems we could start to implement those R2M KISS mean reversion systems as well (like I show with SPY and QQQ)
I think this is a
Posted by oreo on 5th of Aug 2026 at 03:05 pm
I think this is a great idea afterall KISS stands for Keep It Simple Stupid doesn't it? I have attempted to trade in so many different ways over the years and always come back to the simple systems. I find otherwise I have to look up and find the rules to other systems and try to keep it all straight when watching the market. I absolutely don't know how Matt and his team keep up with all these systems!
I like the larger ETFs and thier leveraged versions and find that's pretty much all I need. I got so tired of watching the market go up and all the while having a major holding (individual stock) that succumbs to some news story and stays flat or moves down.
I used to trade all the Rev to Mean systems but now cherry pick the ones with percent profitable above 90% and high profit factors. I put more money in these trades to make up for not taking the lower percentage trades.
In the vein of keeping it simple, I would love to have the Rev to Mean trades within the major systems like SPY and QQQ daily and have them emailed out similar to the Rev to Mean systems are. I appreciate that Matt puts these on the blog when they are showing up but sometimes don't get a chance to check the blog.
Throughout all my time trading, I have often thought about how hard it is to not take that short term profit but stay with the trend like the KISS systems. It would be great to take advantage of the short term stair stepping within a larger move and help me stay in the larger trade while enjoying an occasional Rev2Mean bonus.
Thanks for continually trying to improve things Matt.
Matt - Please do not
Posted by so_goot on 5th of Aug 2026 at 01:49 pm
Matt - Please do not remove HP UPRO 130. If you want to try to enhance it even further - that's fine, but don't remove it while working on it. Other shorter timeframes I'm fine with removal - too much noise and less winning trades for no real benefit in gains.
yeah was planning that. you have
Posted by matt on 5th of Aug 2026 at 02:20 pm
yeah was planning that.
you have heard of Murphy's Law, some of those I removed shorter time frames after a bunch of chop all caught great entries, but is what it is, what matters is going forward and what I can manage
While we are on the
Posted by Grand_Advantage on 5th of Aug 2026 at 05:51 pm
While we are on the subject, I actually like the shorter time frames because while they might not have the best trade success %, they can get you in a lot earlier in a major trend. I believe the whole objective of the HP STS systems is to simply get you in a major trend or two each year which is really all you need. Think of the movie Rounders -- "You grind it out. Your goal is to earn one big hand/trade a round/quarter/year, that's it. Get your money in when you have the best of it and protect it when you don't" For me, I focus on the UPRO systems. While the 130 system has a phenomenal success rate, the 30 and 60 systems get much better prices. Just look at the current systems. The 30 got in at 135.82, the 60 at 136.78, but the 130 at 146.40 where some might be looking to lock in some gains and Matt is saying we are short-term overbought. So I just take 1/2 at the 30 and the other half at the 60 to help mitigate risk from the whipsaws from the shorter time frames. The other system I really like is GDXU 30 -- not for the faint of heart, but you can improve performance there greatly by listening to Matt's commentary each night and throughout the day on GDX. The same can be said on anything else. So as far as the other systems go, I just look for bases in the newsletter/community and take them on breakouts. Like today SLV broke out and the SLV 130 triggered. So I bought a 1/2 position there and am hoping for a successful backtest of the breakout to add the other half. If it keeps going higher from here, I guess I just make money on what I have. Other systems that perform the best are NVDA 30, PLTR 30 and WGMI 78. You could just blindly trade those and do well over time. But I find it's best to take the systems in tandem with setups featured in the newsletters/community.
KISS trade plans
Posted by bptjboxman1 on 27th of Jun 2026 at 07:06 pm
I've been curious how others are trading the KISS systems in general; I signed up a year ago, but then didn't really take any trades. Which is amusing, because I used to invest what was for me a considerable sum monthly at whatever the market price was on two securities on Investment Quality Trends undervalue list, no charts, no thoughts, just a market buy order. And no stops. (You can imagine how that eventually played out.)
I'm considering designing a trade plan where I take trades from this system based on industry leadership and rotation, with a risk sizing based on the STS stop, 100 bps up to 5%, 50 bp for 8%, and 25 bp for STS initial stop greater than 8%. And do this for up to 8 positions at a time, and hold until the system goes flat. Last time I tried running the full list of KISS names into Market Surge, filtering based on some financials, then going back and favoriting those, but that was hackish and complicated to manage.
I'm very curious what others are doing, though. I find it surprising that I could just buy and hold so blindly, but for KISS I somehow decided to have some opinion about the entries other than just taking them. Maybe if I could see the overall max DD, win %, and equity curves for the system so I can compare that to whatever I think my risk tolerance is; Is there a Monte Carlo simulation of 1,000s of universes of this playing out at the trade or portfolio level?
Thanks!
Kiss trading
Posted by najor on 27th of Jun 2026 at 10:10 pm
one of the parameters I use for buy signals make sure the stochastics are under 25 ........and when the systems are flat i sell based on the stochastics greater than 75% i have other rules that i use besides stochastics
Matt, really appreciate your constantly
Posted by oreo on 26th of Jun 2026 at 02:47 pm
Matt, really appreciate your constantly trying to make this a better experience. I'll admit I've gotten some of the stops confused on the HP and daily ETFs when following the same symbol just due to not being able to focus during the trading day.
I love the idea of reducing the number and tweaking for high performance. Posting the stats on the systems in use is extremely helpful to me as I prefer the high percentage and high profit factor trades. It's just easier to hang with it mentally for me.
Lastly, posting and sending out the R2M trades within the KISS daily longs would be the whole picture for me. Being long SPY, QQQ or leveraged versions during uptrends and being able to play around with the pullbacks is exciting.
thanks so much for the
Posted by matt on 26th of Jun 2026 at 02:54 pm
thanks so much for the feedback and yes I'm always tinkering, always brainstorming and thinking, And yes for me personally I really like the KISS R2M trades, I can run them on any time frame, but I think they make a lot of sense on the daily, so this might enable us to expand on those as well
Currently I have GDX, IAU Gold, and SLV done. I'll be doing 3 to 5 a week and replacing stuff there
You could cut out work
Posted by dtheo on 26th of Jun 2026 at 01:51 pm
You could cut out work by getting rid of a lot of redundant names.
The two SLV timeframed comes to mind as I remember them having almost exact same stats.
There are many others with practically the same stats and they are not very diverse from each other as to when they perform better
Terrific! Thanks Matt
Posted by Grand_Advantage on 26th of Jun 2026 at 11:09 am
Terrific! Thanks Matt
ha I like your user
Posted by matt on 26th of Jun 2026 at 11:12 am
ha I like your user name!