Posted by icecoldjones on 3rd of Mar 2026 at 12:11 pm
UPRO 30 wiped out on 4 straight plays this year and retriggers
the next day, if it could just stay in cash for a few weeks then I
might have some peace! LOL -$67k when SPX is -1% on the
year hurts.
Posted by icecoldjones on 4th of Mar 2026 at 11:03 am
Not wealthy at all, trying to be and it's not working. Been a
member here for 3.25 years and flat P&L after this last stop
out. Puked several times which is an understatement.
Look at the SPX today and UPRO 30 is going to retrigger and I
might just lose my mind...
Just my 2cents from experience on the systems over the
yrs...better in an uptrend; not as reliable during chop or heavy
downturns as they give false signals (again from my experience b/c
backtesting doesnt always translate to my real world), and yes dont
trade levered during these times unless you have high conviction. I
often sell options in these times instead, but that's my
style.
The question is: when do you know when it is the end of chop and
the start of a new trend? Me personally… in times of
uncertainty, I tend to trade good set ups instead of the systems. I
find the best systems here are the reversion to the mean systems,
especially the 2nd and 3rd entries.
I have been trading most of the high perf systems including UPRO
and SSO and other leveraged and due to diversification across many
HP systems, the accounts are up for the year even though indexes
are negative to down for the year. You win some and lose some, but
diversification helps instead of just trading only a couple of
them. If one chose all HP systems as shown below and overall
portfolio growth would have looked as follows for those dates. It's
all about growing accounts consistently and diversified. The good
thing is also that most of the time account is only around 40% in
the market. The number are impressive for each year in the
past.
On 1_7 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 56 return ave = 1.42,
On 1_9 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 56 return ave =
2.08,
On 1_16 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 56 return ave = 3.23,
On 1_20 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 56 return ave = 2.34,
On 1_23 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 56 return ave = 4.06,
On 1_30 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 56 return ave = 3.49,
On 2_6 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 56 return ave =
2.49,
On 2_13 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 55 return ave = 1.35,
On 2_20 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 56 return ave = 1.67,
On 2_27 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 57 return ave =
2.94,
Posted by mastermind on 4th of Mar 2026 at 01:35 pm
Curious if I understand the gist of what you are saying. It
looks like you have a list of ~140 stocks that you trade in and out
of based on KISS signals and use equal weight for each of these
stocks. Correct?
I am showing only for the HP KISS systems. When I calculated the
return below, the count was around 56. Yes, when trading its equal
weight for each stock traded.
Newsletter
Subscribe to our email list for regular free market updates
as well as a chance to get coupons!
Wiped out again
Posted by icecoldjones on 3rd of Mar 2026 at 12:11 pm
UPRO 30 wiped out on 4 straight plays this year and retriggers the next day, if it could just stay in cash for a few weeks then I might have some peace! LOL -$67k when SPX is -1% on the year hurts.
You must be wealthy. I'd
Posted by curranjohn on 3rd of Mar 2026 at 03:48 pm
You must be wealthy. I'd be puking. Those are heavy losses. Some systems are best avoided in the chop. But nothings easy.
Not wealthy at all, trying
Posted by icecoldjones on 4th of Mar 2026 at 11:03 am
Not wealthy at all, trying to be and it's not working. Been a member here for 3.25 years and flat P&L after this last stop out. Puked several times which is an understatement.
Look at the SPX today and UPRO 30 is going to retrigger and I might just lose my mind...
Just my 2cents from experience
Posted by mitchell on 4th of Mar 2026 at 12:19 pm
Just my 2cents from experience on the systems over the yrs...better in an uptrend; not as reliable during chop or heavy downturns as they give false signals (again from my experience b/c backtesting doesnt always translate to my real world), and yes dont trade levered during these times unless you have high conviction. I often sell options in these times instead, but that's my style.
The question is: when do
Posted by pebs on 4th of Mar 2026 at 12:26 pm
The question is: when do you know when it is the end of chop and the start of a new trend? Me personally… in times of uncertainty, I tend to trade good set ups instead of the systems. I find the best systems here are the reversion to the mean systems, especially the 2nd and 3rd entries.
AND THERE SHE BLOWS!!!! UPRO
Posted by icecoldjones on 4th of Mar 2026 at 11:42 am
AND THERE SHE BLOWS!!!! UPRO 30 back long!!! I have to unsubscribe with another stop out.
Couldn't even last 1 trading session in cash! -$27k on initial STS.
Sounds like you are putting
Posted by mastermind on 4th of Mar 2026 at 12:46 pm
Sounds like you are putting all of your eggs in one basket, if you don't have many eggs like you say. Try diversifying to other stocks.
why are you trading the
Posted by vimal on 4th of Mar 2026 at 12:13 pm
why are you trading the leveraged instrument? I think UPRO is 2x right? These always denegrade over time such is their nature
Or put max 10% in UPRO and 90% in single stocks or ETFs.
The backtest etc for UPRO is simply that and systems can stop working over time irrespective of how good historical performance was
SSO is 2x and UPRO
Posted by EdZ on 4th of Mar 2026 at 12:26 pm
SSO is 2x and UPRO is 3x. Seling options as been very profitable during all of this chop.
Absolutely. I have been selling
Posted by mastermind on 4th of Mar 2026 at 12:48 pm
Absolutely. I have been selling MU calls on upswings and puts on downswings and that is making me good money even as the stock goes sideways.
I have been trading most
Posted by vsunil on 4th of Mar 2026 at 01:31 pm
I have been trading most of the high perf systems including UPRO and SSO and other leveraged and due to diversification across many HP systems, the accounts are up for the year even though indexes are negative to down for the year. You win some and lose some, but diversification helps instead of just trading only a couple of them. If one chose all HP systems as shown below and overall portfolio growth would have looked as follows for those dates. It's all about growing accounts consistently and diversified. The good thing is also that most of the time account is only around 40% in the market. The number are impressive for each year in the past.
On 1_7 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 56 return ave = 1.42,
On 1_9 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 56 return ave = 2.08,
On 1_16 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 56 return ave = 3.23,
On 1_20 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 56 return ave = 2.34,
On 1_23 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 56 return ave = 4.06,
On 1_30 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 56 return ave = 3.49,
On 2_6 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 56 return ave = 2.49,
On 2_13 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 55 return ave = 1.35,
On 2_20 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 56 return ave = 1.67,
On 2_27 :: == Return for 2026, cnt = 57 return ave = 2.94,
whats the 56 or 57
Posted by Glad on 4th of Mar 2026 at 02:02 pm
whats the 56 or 57 --55 mean ?
That is the number of
Posted by vsunil on 4th of Mar 2026 at 02:06 pm
That is the number of HP KISS stocks used for calculating the return.
Curious if I understand the
Posted by mastermind on 4th of Mar 2026 at 01:35 pm
Curious if I understand the gist of what you are saying. It looks like you have a list of ~140 stocks that you trade in and out of based on KISS signals and use equal weight for each of these stocks. Correct?
I am showing only for
Posted by vsunil on 4th of Mar 2026 at 01:40 pm
I am showing only for the HP KISS systems. When I calculated the return below, the count was around 56. Yes, when trading its equal weight for each stock traded.