side note: one of my brothers, who owns a decent size business with a lot of employees - he deals with both government and private sector - he told me a few weeks back that for the first time in years he's started to see his customers get a LOT more cautionary, wait on purchases, hold off on buying, etc. He deals in security cameras, remote card access, some remove HVAC monitoring. and generally this type of business is where people don't easily pullback spending on, not like luxury items you don't need or going out to eat etc, these are more necessities