GOP walks out of talks.

    Posted by brophy on 19th of May 2023 at 01:12 pm

    GOP walks out of talks.

    DEMS do not even want

    Posted by rbreese on 19th of May 2023 at 01:21 pm

    DEMS do not even want to give in on any issues and threaten to use special gimmick by Biden .  

    Assuming both sides do not

    Posted by RichieD on 19th of May 2023 at 02:27 pm

    Assuming both sides do not want the country to default, what exactly are the Republicans offering...and where we they the three times trump  wanted to raise the debt ceiling? Sounds more like a hostage negotiation than anything else.

    look, the government spends like

    Posted by matt on 19th of May 2023 at 02:33 pm

    look, the government spends like drunken sailors we all know that, but a deal has to be reached, the consequences of a default are too great - both sides should realize that

    yes the republicans would like to use it as leverage to reduce spending, but that should be for another time, cannot afford to default on the debt 

    I find that a lot of laymen on the street simply say: we need to the gov to stop spending, the republicans should not cave no matter what even if results in a default-  but those people have no idea the pain that would cause and also negatively affect them

    Matt, I was a Fed

    Posted by DigiNomad on 19th of May 2023 at 02:57 pm

    Matt, I was a Fed Gov employee during multiple Gov shutdowns. Each time they tell us it's going to be the end of the world, and each time it isn't. Not ideal, but everyones treasury interest will get paid. It's the Fed Gov employees who will go through the drill again (which is why they are suing to stop it).

    Keep in mind that unlike a shutdown from not passing a CR (then they lose authority to make payments), this would only prevent adding on additional debt. That means the Gov can still operate with the considerable amount of revenue that they receive.  Not getting a deal right away would be like taking your credit card away - you can still spend all your earnings, you just can't spend more than your earnings. As a former acquisition policy branch chief, I think the 14th amendment falls flat legally, because they could still use their ongoing revenue to pay debts and interest. 

    "Each time they tell us

    Posted by RichieD on 19th of May 2023 at 03:22 pm

    "Each time they tell us it's going to be the end of the world, and each time it isn't".  Perhaps not for you or I, but tell that to the millions of senior citizens who paid in over a lifetime and whose only source of income is their monthly social security check.  Wish people weren't living that close to the edge, but many are.

    Lawrence Tribe disagrees with you about the 14th amendment.  Not knocking your knowledge or wisdom, but on this one I'll go with Tribe.

    They will get their social

    Posted by DigiNomad on 19th of May 2023 at 03:26 pm

    They will get their social security payments. Just look at the history of shutdowns...and this wouldn't even be a shutdown. The market is smarter than all of us. If there was a realistic possibility that debt wasn't going to get paid or social security checks wouldn't go out, the market would be throwing a MASSIVE fit.  It's not because it knows the reality of the situation.  We're getting our chains yanked with political theatre. Shocker. 

    In FY 2022 total government

    Posted by DigiNomad on 19th of May 2023 at 03:33 pm

    In FY 2022 total government spending was $6.27 trillion and total revenue was $4.90 trillion.  Failure to get a debt deal would just force austerity down to  a spend level of 4.9 Trillion. I promise that leaves plenty of room to pay treasury debt and social security and medicare. From experience, they will furlough a bunch of Fed employees first, shut down national parks, and stop non essential contract spend (the part I implement in my old position). It's not good, but we will pay our debts and support seniors. 

    Sounds right... don't forget they

    Posted by fredsaid on 19th of May 2023 at 03:39 pm

    Sounds right... don't forget they will ensure they pay themselves as well.

    Typically, yes.  Congress has always

    Posted by DigiNomad on 19th of May 2023 at 03:41 pm

    Typically, yes.  Congress has always passed a bill (post shut down) for retroactive payments to Gov employees furloughed when they were deemed "non essential." I don't expect that to change this time, nor do I think it really should. 

    It's like Clint Eastwood says

    Posted by RP on 19th of May 2023 at 02:01 pm

    It's like Clint Eastwood says they gotta goooo! My guess we default what is one more catastrophe when you have 2 year olds running the country....

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