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again these are very preliminary and some of these trades may be
altered slightly with some rules and modifications. Also some
rules I have not decided on so this just gives you an idea:if you
look at the data I started from mid 2006. I start with
$10,000 for the DVT system and simple buy and hold. The 10K
turned into 173K as of the last exit, doesn't include this current
open trade, while buy and hold 10K turned into 24K, so big
Again the difference between buy and hold occurs over time NOT
because the DVT trend system is catching additional trades, it's
because it's avoiding the big draw downs when the market has the
typical 15% and 20% corrections on average every couple years in a
bull market. Over time that cumulatively adds up.
you can see this clearly with the max draw down columns I added
from the high. What I mean from the highs for example is from
the most recent max high of the SPX to the DVT exit price, as you
can see most of the time the DVT's are getting you out 3 - 6% off
the highs. For buy and hold I'm computing from the max recent
high to the low of that move. As you can see there are moves
50% lower, 30%, 21%, 35% etc, since you avoid those that's where
the DVT gains ground over the buy and hold
what I didn't do was try to add all the small potential trades
you would have in a trend from the starting DVT to the time it
would be hit and stopped out. As I showed in the webinars for
example you might have 5 and 10 trade opportunities to go
long while a DVT trade is active i.e. all those times when the BPT
MA pulls into the ribbon. That's something I would like to
look at but that's a huge amount of work. I can't even
imagine how much that would boost the returns, I have to think it
would be substantial
Love it!!! I make waaaaaaay more money in a system like
this then trading as I just don't have the time. Please make
this a big part of BPT. Real value service!!! Thanks
I agree, this is the kind of thing I am a member for. I just
consistenttime to trade during the day on the trade ideas
and watch the position once entered. I much prefer staying 100%
invested during uptrends...simply SPY, SSO &/or QQQ, QLD,
knowing I won't give it all back when the market turns. One caveat;
many 401ks have lockout rules and limit "round trips" so I have
been known to get nastygrams from places like Fidelity when trying
to trade systems like this. I much prefer rolling 401k money
over into IRAs with freedom to trade during the day if necessary,
set stops and trade them in the form of ETFs as often as
make sure to look over the history and number of trades per
year, it averages about 3 to 5 a year, that's NOT much actively. I
agree though 100% always move to self directed IRA's just so that
you have flexibility, but I want to clarify doing too many trades
is not a concern here, again all you have to do is study the data
that I provided it shows entry and exit dates.
I love this new DVT system, I find myself laying awake at night
re-planning my retirement! But in looking at the preliminary stats
published in the weekend newsletter yesterday, I think there's an
error. The sell entry on 3/21/17 shows a sell price of 3255. I'm
pretty sure that never happened - maybe it should say 2355?
I'm not sure how that rolls through the numbers, but it will still
be a very impressive CAGR!
mrsauer - I fixed that typo on the stats, looks like I had the 2
and 3 backwards, the exit price was 2355 not 3255
thanks for pointing that out
I see you are only accounting for long only. Can something
similar be done to include short also when in down trend?
that system is for 401K like instruments not for shorting.
also shorts have to be treated VERY differently than longs.
Most corrections are fast and quick, emotions are far
different, vs uptrends that lasts for years and roll over more
slowly. Bear markets typically last a year or slightly more,
whereas bull markets last 5 or 10 years. Sell offs are
faster, and can end on a dime, best to take profits much faster
than you would on an uptrend as the moves last much shorter times,
and best not to wait for full reversals as you give up too much of
your short profit. for shorts I find it best to allow the
trend to break i.e. the BPT MA fall below the ribbon on the daily
and lose the DVT, then short an overold bounce where the BPT MA is
on the underside of the ribbons and pinches green into them, and
get a trigger off a the sell cycle from a shorter time frame
You're reading my mind as well. I was thinking that when a
daily DVT is hit on the SPX long, can the inverse ETFs indicate
entries and DVT exits, which would then prompt one to check the
chart for SPX long reentries when the shorts exit. Matt says
it works on any symbol.
yes 24kau, the amazing thing is the KISS charts work for
anything. Heck yesterday evening I trade SI silver futures for fun
on 3, 2, 1, 30 second charts and and same exactly signals work.
I tried it with CL crude oil, EURUSD, Forex, gold futures, US
Dollar futures, Euro50 futures, bond futures, it didn't matter, the
exact same chart settings using the same methodology
Also looks like we might have been approved finally by
How I envision that to work: you guys lease the indicators
through the TS Network, I then give you my workspaces and we all do
group zoom meetings where I show you how to use them.
you will then have a set of charts and rules that you can then
apply to anything you want
Any idea what the cost will be to lease the indicators?
nope not yet. And thanks for the comments, yes I tried to
build a lot of simple rules and disciple into this. The
combination of the indicators and time frames seems to just work
astoundingly well and is clean and simple to see. It will be
fun once many of us have these same charts and are looking at the
same thing, I'll do live Zoom meetings/teachings of course, but
most of you already get the gist, the rules and methodology are
simple and logical.
Hm, I don't want to trade through them, just use the charts.
Looks like it requires a $2K deposit for the privilege?
24kau, not sure where you saw that it requires $2K deposit.
Pretty sure you are mistaken
and to Matt's point, that's not enough do-re-mi for normal
trading activity anyway, but I was looking to avoid the fees, then
I think there's activity minimums as well.
If you want to avoid the $99/month fee, the minimum deposit for
a trading account is $2K.
yes, but don't you need money to trade? The deposit is
not lost, you then use that $2k to make trades....
if you don't have access to $2k worth of capital to trade I am
not sure how you expect to make trades?
It wasn't the dollar amount that was the issue--with more than
one trading account/service, you have to consider tax statements
and downloads of trading data for tax returns and on and on.
Having all that with one account/service just makes all that
easier (yes, I do my own taxes, and yes, I hate it).
Hey Matt, please don't let this discourage you. I will be
more than happy to pay the $99/mth fee to have access to the BPTMA
on TS, along with several others I am sure...
Thanks, and keep pushing the team at TS to get this going.
It's $99/mo for the platform. What I'm going to do when Matt
says everything is ready is pay the $99, download the platform,
trade with the indicators for a month using my TDA brokerage
account, evaluate how I did, then decide if I want to open a
brokerage account with TS, or continue paying the $99/mo to just
use the platform. Open a brokerage account with a minimum deposit
of $2K and the platform is free:
https://www.tradestation.com/pricing/ Might be
some minimum trading requirement as well not sure about that
Sounds like a great plan.
unclear what you mean. 2K for privilege? You need a TS account,
you can just play for the platform software and not open an
account, but that way I think it's 100 month. Why not just
open a trading account and do trades there then the platform is
free. I don't know what you mean but 2K, maybe that's the min
required to open a trading account, but what serious trader or
investor is only putting 2K into a trading account, come on.
I opened a trading account back in 1995 when I was still in
College, that was all I could afford, again I have have no idea
what that 2K for privilege means. Otherwise the facts are you
can either just play for their platform without opening an account,
or actually open a trading account and deposit money into it and
get those fees waived by doing some trades.
again think of it like you're a carpenter, you need to buy a set
of tools in order to do your job, can't you say I want to be a
carpenter but I don't want to buy myself a set of tools.
Very well said Matt !
Matt--thanks. Substitute "advantage" or "benefit" for
privilege. And I completely agree with you on all points, I
was just trying to keep all my trading in one place, but it's a
minor adjustment to make for the benefit (privilege) of getting the
new DVT charts.
and plus you do not have to trade on TS, just use the chart,
like using Stockcharts for example.
I'm ready when you are. For starters, what "level" of
membership will we need with Tradestation (assuming there are
levels, I don't currently have an account with them)? I can
get started with the membership if this is really close to
Matt - pretty incredible stats, thanks for sharing. I
might actually be able to retire someday if I follow this
Note I added a new sticky post for DVT stats
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