I wrote this up this morning, I mentioned I would write
something regarding my thoughts on all this for the bigger picture,
especially Starlink which I hope will be spun off one day into a
publicly traded company. However I also suggest watching those
videos on TSLA as well
------
This post is for the weekend and my
thoughts on Elon Musk TSLA, SpaceX, and Starlink
companies.
TSLA is the only company that is
currently publicly traded as you know, which I have liked for a
long time as a growth story stock. Another thing to consider
regarding TSLA is not just their cars but their expansion into
solar energy via their solar roof shingles and even insurance.
Their approach to solar roofs with their shingles is interesting
because 1. they are aesthetically eye pleasing vs standard solar
panels. 2. The cost has always been a big factor and I like
their approach with this and the way they allow you to pay for
them. From what I understand they consider what you pay on average
for your monthly power bill, let's say that it's $300 a month. They
set it up where you finance the cost of a solar shingle roof for
less than the $300 you are paying on average for your power bill,
which makes it somewhat painless financially. The obvious draw
backs of course is that if planned or had to move in a few years it
might not make sense to do so, but if you were staying at your
current home for long enough it could make sense.
Also regrading car insurance. As you
know the way insurance works is via actuaries' number crunching
data/statistics in order to come up with quote prices based on
statistical probabilities. The actuaries are limited by the
data they have. This is where TSLA has a potential huge edge
over all other car insurance companies because they track all of
their cars and have millions upon millions of drive miles data.
You may have heard how you can get a lower rate from some
insurance companies to put a chip in your car that monitors your
driving and for this they typically give you a lower rate (unless
you have a lead foot like me
.) TSLA has a huge advantage of every other
insurance company with their enormous database and can much better
pin-point their prices and give lower price quotes confidently than
any other car insurance company out there.
Then of course you have the Truck
coming out eventually, which from a design standpoint is not just
ugly aesthetics (mind you I don't think it's ugly I like it), but
has potential huge savings in production costs because of its
simplicity therefor it's by design; I highly suggest listening to
the first video below on Tooling Costs of the CyberTruck.
also TSLA is getting closer to releasing their million mile
battery tech.
SpaceX is a privately held company
that you cannot buy into. Google Alphabet does own a 10%
stake in Spacex so in a way an investment into Alphabet is a small
indirect investment into SpaceX. Starlink which I will be focusing
on next is currently part of SpaceX and from what I've read
Starlink may eventually be spun off and I hope one day taken public
because I think the opportunities are potentially enormous.
First off let me explain what
Starlink is in a nutshell. As some of you may be aware there have
been several attempts at global satellite data networks with
Iridium being the best known example. The problem with these
networks has always been cost, and data speed. SpaceX in a bid to
address the data speed portion of the problem is planning a network
of nearly 15,000 satellites, in contrast the Iridium network has
only 66, in fact SpaceX already has 422 satellites in orbit.
Think about this, putting the
Iridium constellation into orbit actually bankrupted the
corporation once, they had to restructure their debt to stay
viable, meanwhile SpaceX is turning a profit on launches, developed
their own satellite technology, their own rocket technology and
have deployed 6 times as many satellites, oh and they've helped
Iridium update their soon to be irrelevant fleet during the same
period.
By controlling their own launch
vehicles SpaceX is essentially without competition in this space
(pun intended), they're charging Iridium around 60 million a
launch, while their own internal costs are likely around 20
million, by using boosters that have flown three or four times for
their own starlink missions they are proving flight worthiness of
rockets with multiple mission profiles and keeping down
cost.
There is currently no competitor
that is within even several years of duplicating their cost to
orbit, let alone their satellite technology, which is where this
gets interesting, in October of last year the Air Force tested
starlink, to say they were impressed with what they saw would be an
understatement, less than a month later the FCC modified their
license for SpaceX to allow faster deployment of the
constellation.
Only the DOD has the power to get
things like FCC redtape out of the way in a month, and they're
moving ahead with a live fire exercise involving multiple connected
assets later this summer.
Starlink's currently has 422 of
these small satellites in orbit currently with about 60 being
launched each month with plans to increase that to eventually 400
at a time. It will take years to reach their initial goal of 12,000
satellites and eventually 42,000. As little as 800 satellites
can provide moderate internet coverage to some parts of the world,
however 12,000 and 42,000 could provide internet up to 1 GBPS to
every place on the planet including Antarctica etc.
Think about the long term potential
of this for a moment: Sarlink offers the promise of a nearly 1 GBPS
connection anywhere on the planet, essentially the upper end of 5g
speeds. Currently we receive our internet through Broadband cable
companies like Charter and Comcast, AT&T, and also wirelessly
to our phones through telecommunication giants such as AT&T,
Verizon, T Mobile, and we all know that 5G is currently being built
out by these firms. A huge problem we have these days is
competition especially with broadband companies and having little
choice about where we get our internet from.
Anyway I see the potential for
Starlink to eventually become the largest telecommunications
company on the planet if they deplaythis as planned because you
would be able to wirelessly receive very high speed internet
anywhere on the planet to your home, cell phones, tablets etc
through Starlink. Currently on your phone for example, you
receive your internet through your wireless carrier when out and
about away from your wifi network. At homes, businesses etc
broadband companies like Charter, Comcast etc commonly supply the
internet to these places. Starlink could replace the internet
for all those companies! Initially you will need a way to receive
the signals in the form of a reciever that you could purchase and
have the signals transformed to wifi. However I imagine that
companies like Qualcom etc would eventually make modems that come
installed in all phones to receive the signal. Anyway the
point is, if Starlink is able to achieve this goal of 12,000 and
42,0000 satellites then they could seriously take away huge swaths
of internet business away from all these large telecom and
broadband companies.
Rarely do you see such a large
industry that might credibly see a sea change within a few years,
but think about what it entails for say AT&T to be competitive
with a global 5g network, they must build towers out nationwide,
while their cost per tower is going to be lower than SpaceX's cost
per launch that tower only serves a limited geographic area, we
have over 300,000 such towers nationally currently, while 15,000
satellites sounds like and is a lot of satellites it is still
considerably less infrastructure than a nationwide network of
towers, and covers a larger geographic area including rural areas
and the entire ocean, the arctic etc.
Again realize this is long term
thinking at this point. Again currently Starlink is part of
SpaceX which is not public and you cannot invest in (except
indirectly via Alphabet). I know that Elon's goal is the keep
SpaceX private so that he can focus on the company vs short term
goals of making investors happy quarter to quarter, however
hopefully he eventually spins off Starlink and into a publicly
traded company so that we can invest into it.
anyway guys that's some thoughts
longer term on this kind of stuff. I may also do a write up
on AMD as well
Tx, Matt, i really enjoyed reading your discussion over the
weekend. As you are, I am a "numbers" man, so the
quantitative infor was of particular interest. Well done!
Posted by jtsurfah on 31st of May 2020 at 07:31 pm
Thanks for the great insight. I've been a TSLA bear for the same
reason I've been a AMZN bear - valuation. I can't justify
touching it for client accounts, but I came off the fence and
personally bought it a few weeks back. I'm too big of a fan to sit
on the sidelines!
Nice write up. I said the same thing many times - TSLA is the
pride of American engineering and innovation. And i recall someone
saying the stock is 50% off from ATH of 400 . This was last year.
This stock is going to be 2000$ before you realize. This is not a
run of the mill company. This is a lifetime opportunity below 1000$
and i will be adding every single dip of 50$ or more
It was amazing to watch yesterday, I do not watch much tv news
but yesterday was a day to tune in. I think it is important
to Americans to feel like "Americans" again. To be innovators
in not just social media apps. But tangible products that
change the future.
Long Term discussions on TSLA, SpaceX and esp Starlink
Posted by matt on 30th of May 2020 at 12:38 pm
I wrote this up this morning, I mentioned I would write something regarding my thoughts on all this for the bigger picture, especially Starlink which I hope will be spun off one day into a publicly traded company. However I also suggest watching those videos on TSLA as well
------
This post is for the weekend and my thoughts on Elon Musk TSLA, SpaceX, and Starlink companies.
TSLA is the only company that is currently publicly traded as you know, which I have liked for a long time as a growth story stock. Another thing to consider regarding TSLA is not just their cars but their expansion into solar energy via their solar roof shingles and even insurance. Their approach to solar roofs with their shingles is interesting because 1. they are aesthetically eye pleasing vs standard solar panels. 2. The cost has always been a big factor and I like their approach with this and the way they allow you to pay for them. From what I understand they consider what you pay on average for your monthly power bill, let's say that it's $300 a month. They set it up where you finance the cost of a solar shingle roof for less than the $300 you are paying on average for your power bill, which makes it somewhat painless financially. The obvious draw backs of course is that if planned or had to move in a few years it might not make sense to do so, but if you were staying at your current home for long enough it could make sense.
Also regrading car insurance. As you know the way insurance works is via actuaries' number crunching data/statistics in order to come up with quote prices based on statistical probabilities. The actuaries are limited by the data they have. This is where TSLA has a potential huge edge over all other car insurance companies because they track all of their cars and have millions upon millions of drive miles data. You may have heard how you can get a lower rate from some insurance companies to put a chip in your car that monitors your driving and for this they typically give you a lower rate (unless you have a lead foot like me .) TSLA has a huge advantage of every other insurance company with their enormous database and can much better pin-point their prices and give lower price quotes confidently than any other car insurance company out there.
Then of course you have the Truck coming out eventually, which from a design standpoint is not just ugly aesthetics (mind you I don't think it's ugly I like it), but has potential huge savings in production costs because of its simplicity therefor it's by design; I highly suggest listening to the first video below on Tooling Costs of the CyberTruck. also TSLA is getting closer to releasing their million mile battery tech.
Here's a few videos on these items:
- Tesla Tooling Cost Cybertruck Video
- Tesla Solar Roof Discussion video
- Tesla Insurance video
SpaceX and Starlink:
SpaceX is a privately held company that you cannot buy into. Google Alphabet does own a 10% stake in Spacex so in a way an investment into Alphabet is a small indirect investment into SpaceX. Starlink which I will be focusing on next is currently part of SpaceX and from what I've read Starlink may eventually be spun off and I hope one day taken public because I think the opportunities are potentially enormous.
First off let me explain what Starlink is in a nutshell. As some of you may be aware there have been several attempts at global satellite data networks with Iridium being the best known example. The problem with these networks has always been cost, and data speed. SpaceX in a bid to address the data speed portion of the problem is planning a network of nearly 15,000 satellites, in contrast the Iridium network has only 66, in fact SpaceX already has 422 satellites in orbit.
Think about this, putting the Iridium constellation into orbit actually bankrupted the corporation once, they had to restructure their debt to stay viable, meanwhile SpaceX is turning a profit on launches, developed their own satellite technology, their own rocket technology and have deployed 6 times as many satellites, oh and they've helped Iridium update their soon to be irrelevant fleet during the same period.
By controlling their own launch vehicles SpaceX is essentially without competition in this space (pun intended), they're charging Iridium around 60 million a launch, while their own internal costs are likely around 20 million, by using boosters that have flown three or four times for their own starlink missions they are proving flight worthiness of rockets with multiple mission profiles and keeping down cost.
There is currently no competitor that is within even several years of duplicating their cost to orbit, let alone their satellite technology, which is where this gets interesting, in October of last year the Air Force tested starlink, to say they were impressed with what they saw would be an understatement, less than a month later the FCC modified their license for SpaceX to allow faster deployment of the constellation.
Only the DOD has the power to get things like FCC redtape out of the way in a month, and they're moving ahead with a live fire exercise involving multiple connected assets later this summer.
Starlink's currently has 422 of these small satellites in orbit currently with about 60 being launched each month with plans to increase that to eventually 400 at a time. It will take years to reach their initial goal of 12,000 satellites and eventually 42,000. As little as 800 satellites can provide moderate internet coverage to some parts of the world, however 12,000 and 42,000 could provide internet up to 1 GBPS to every place on the planet including Antarctica etc.
Think about the long term potential of this for a moment: Sarlink offers the promise of a nearly 1 GBPS connection anywhere on the planet, essentially the upper end of 5g speeds. Currently we receive our internet through Broadband cable companies like Charter and Comcast, AT&T, and also wirelessly to our phones through telecommunication giants such as AT&T, Verizon, T Mobile, and we all know that 5G is currently being built out by these firms. A huge problem we have these days is competition especially with broadband companies and having little choice about where we get our internet from.
Anyway I see the potential for Starlink to eventually become the largest telecommunications company on the planet if they deplaythis as planned because you would be able to wirelessly receive very high speed internet anywhere on the planet to your home, cell phones, tablets etc through Starlink. Currently on your phone for example, you receive your internet through your wireless carrier when out and about away from your wifi network. At homes, businesses etc broadband companies like Charter, Comcast etc commonly supply the internet to these places. Starlink could replace the internet for all those companies! Initially you will need a way to receive the signals in the form of a reciever that you could purchase and have the signals transformed to wifi. However I imagine that companies like Qualcom etc would eventually make modems that come installed in all phones to receive the signal. Anyway the point is, if Starlink is able to achieve this goal of 12,000 and 42,0000 satellites then they could seriously take away huge swaths of internet business away from all these large telecom and broadband companies.
Rarely do you see such a large industry that might credibly see a sea change within a few years, but think about what it entails for say AT&T to be competitive with a global 5g network, they must build towers out nationwide, while their cost per tower is going to be lower than SpaceX's cost per launch that tower only serves a limited geographic area, we have over 300,000 such towers nationally currently, while 15,000 satellites sounds like and is a lot of satellites it is still considerably less infrastructure than a nationwide network of towers, and covers a larger geographic area including rural areas and the entire ocean, the arctic etc.
Again realize this is long term thinking at this point. Again currently Starlink is part of SpaceX which is not public and you cannot invest in (except indirectly via Alphabet). I know that Elon's goal is the keep SpaceX private so that he can focus on the company vs short term goals of making investors happy quarter to quarter, however hopefully he eventually spins off Starlink and into a publicly traded company so that we can invest into it.
anyway guys that's some thoughts longer term on this kind of stuff. I may also do a write up on AMD as well
https://twitter.com/InvestorBettor/status/1267633813032767489?s=20 Amazing video on Elon Musk Well
Posted by arun on 1st of Jun 2020 at 10:50 pm
https://twitter.com/InvestorBettor/status/1267633813032767489?s=20
Amazing video on Elon Musk
Tx, Matt, i really enjoyed
Posted by jrocean on 1st of Jun 2020 at 09:56 am
Tx, Matt, i really enjoyed reading your discussion over the weekend. As you are, I am a "numbers" man, so the quantitative infor was of particular interest. Well done!
jrocean
Thanks for the great insight.
Posted by jtsurfah on 31st of May 2020 at 07:31 pm
Thanks for the great insight. I've been a TSLA bear for the same reason I've been a AMZN bear - valuation. I can't justify touching it for client accounts, but I came off the fence and personally bought it a few weeks back. I'm too big of a fan to sit on the sidelines!
Thanks for the interesting write
Posted by morton7 on 31st of May 2020 at 07:26 pm
Thanks for the interesting write up. Going to buy some Googl this week and more AMT
Nice write up. I said
Posted by arun on 30th of May 2020 at 09:57 pm
Nice write up. I said the same thing many times - TSLA is the pride of American engineering and innovation. And i recall someone saying the stock is 50% off from ATH of 400 . This was last year. This stock is going to be 2000$ before you realize. This is not a run of the mill company. This is a lifetime opportunity below 1000$ and i will be adding every single dip of 50$ or more
It was amazing to watch
Posted by ssaffer on 31st of May 2020 at 12:39 pm
It was amazing to watch yesterday, I do not watch much tv news but yesterday was a day to tune in. I think it is important to Americans to feel like "Americans" again. To be innovators in not just social media apps. But tangible products that change the future.
Matt - looking forward to
Posted by arun on 1st of Jun 2020 at 10:12 am
Matt - looking forward to your AMD write up.... I see a generation opportunity in both TSLA and AMD. worth generations of subscription to BPT :-)