Stop example on a less idea trade setup T

    Posted by matt on 13th of Jan 2020 at 01:19 pm

    T - Chart Link- daily chart

    T - Chart Link- 60 min chart

    so the two examples I posted below were ideal trade setups that were easy because they triggered and went up strongly. Not every trade is going to do that, and you will having losing trades, you stay disciplined, use money management, stops, take profits. so while CAE and BYND were pretty monster trades, T has not been

    AS I covered when trading setups find where your initial stop should be if you are trading to swing trade them.  You have to give them logical wiggle room.  Based on the daily chart, the initial stop would have been around 38 the higher low. T popped briefly over that trendline and so far has failed.  Obviously one could argue the doji  candlestick at 39.03 was not a good break and a reason to to NOT buy it at all. But let's go with the example that you bought it anyway.  For a swing based on the daily your stop would have been at that 38 higher low area. If you are only looking at the daily your stop would still be there in place, it got close to triggering today but did not so you would still be in the trade based on the daily chart.  Maybe it still works out and goes higher or it stops out.   

    The second image shows a 60 min, now one could have employed a couple stops here and have been out at that 38.55 stop I show there if you wanted something very tight and just barely over your entry from the daily. This doesn't mean that T doesn't hold that daily higher low and eventually go up and work out.  Basically it's still up in the air whether the stop on the 60 min will work better than the daily as the daily has to be stopped out.  

    again trading is not an exact science and emotion is involved, but this is another example and of one that hasn't had a big high flying move like BYND, CAE etc.

    anyway I share all this because these are methods I employ and some of you have been asking what I look for in determining stops etc

    again what I have found after talking to people is that they are either setting stops way too tightly where get stopped out on noise only for the trade to have worked out had they used a tighter stop. Or folks are not setting stops and taking profits and either letting nice winning trades turn into losers or letting losing trades turn into big losing trades.  

    Trading is not an exact science. And accept that it's a numbers game, expect to not make money on every trade, expect to lose money on trades. It's part of the numbers game, but if you are disciplined about it, you will make money over time. 

    and looking over the trade setups we offer in the newsletters, most give good trades, so the odds are in your favor there.  

    for tsla daily where would

    Posted by morton7 on 13th of Jan 2020 at 01:31 pm

    for tsla daily where would your stop be??

    it would be the same

    Posted by matt on 13th of Jan 2020 at 01:51 pm

    it would be the same as I posted last week. 

    daily last higher low is still a ways off. If you are longer term guy and want to give ample room maybe there

    if you are worried that it's getting quite extended now, a 60 min shows a higher low at 473.

    again not rocket science guys. It's the same things I show on that BPT MA Deluxe daily and 2hr DVT higher low stuff, employ the same methods

    so guys, I simply employ

    Posted by matt on 13th of Jan 2020 at 02:11 pm

    so guys, I simply employ that higher low stop method for my day trading as well.  It's fractal.  

    here's what I have done today on ES so far. I saw that coil on the 5 min SPX this morning, then looked over at my tick charts and saw an entry and a place for a stop, then I simply trailed my stop up all morning until lunch, was able to raise my stop about 6 times before getting stooped out  around 11:50 CST. 

    I just re-entered a new ES long at the end there with an initial stop at the higher low near 3280.25

    again I'm showing this because that higher low stop method is applicable basically to any time frame you are trading.  So even though my last stock examples have been for daily charts, it works on fast 1 min and tick charts.

    and last thing - trading is not an exact science and there's a feel to it. you might exit a trade earlier than a stop based on seeing divergence and other things.  

    Very Cool, wish I could

    Posted by Orangeman on 13th of Jan 2020 at 04:04 pm

    Very Cool, wish I could trade tick charts on tradingview.... which reminds me -

     @Matt - Any update re offering the BTP deluxe (red/green MA) indicator/study on Tradingview?  Thanks.

    here's an updated trade on

    Posted by matt on 13th of Jan 2020 at 04:15 pm

    here's an updated trade on that ES day trade As you know on the last post I showed where I re-entered. So you can see how I got in, stopped out for small profit. Then got back in now have 3 new stops

    super, thanks.

    Posted by morton7 on 13th of Jan 2020 at 02:08 pm

    super, thanks.

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